South Africa?

[tightfoot69]

I know there are a couple of threads but what is the scene like in South Africa?

I am thinking of making a trip for a holiday(Cape Town, Wine, Safari etc) but would not mind a bit of punting.

My main worry is health and safety. I read that 18% of South Africans have HIV which I found staggering. I never knew it was that bad. It is much lower for White South Africans, I think it is under 1%.

Would you just stick with White South Africans ladies or would you just not bother punting there?

[Golden Hind]

I've done a very small amount of punting there. One girl in Johannesburg, which is the business city and has nothing to do but has most girls, then one in cape town which is amazing as a tourist but less options. I think both were 600 or 700rand for the hour and OWO is 100 extra but lots don't to it full stop due to risk. One was black with the biggest ass I've ever come across and the other mixed race, I used ESA because there is ratings for girls on there, another website is red velvet but I didn't trust it. There are some strip clubs in both cities where you can fuck onsite too but I didn't try them. Also you have to call them, the girls never answered texts out there.

In hindsight I would of used Seeking which I've heard is the best option, sugar daddy culture is big there, another word they use for it is 'blesser' there was even a film in cinemas out there recently about it, you will have some girls on tinder saying they are/arn't looking for a blesser. I think the girls in south africa are some of the hottest in the world though, huge asses, mixed race.

I didn't worry about HIV the same way I don't anywhere else in africa, it may be naive but I just think the sort of girl I target, not hardcore or too rough should be ok and then always use a condom and the risk is low. I think if you're targeting girls on seeking out there the risk will be low rather than say a brothal locals use. At least that's my opinion.

[tightfoot69]

I've done a very small amount of punting there. One girl in Johannesburg, which is the business city and has nothing to do but has most girls, then one in cape town which is amazing as a tourist but less options. I think both were 600 or 700rand for the hour and OWO is 100 extra but lots don't to it full stop due to risk. One was black with the biggest ass I've ever come across and the other mixed race, I used ESA because there is ratings for girls on there, another website is red velvet but I didn't trust it. There are some strip clubs in both cities where you can fuck onsite too but I didn't try them. Also you have to call them, the girls never answered texts out there.

In hindsight I would of used Seeking which I've heard is the best option, sugar daddy culture is big there, another word they use for it is 'blesser' there was even a film in cinemas out there recently about it, you will have some girls on tinder saying they are/arn't looking for a blesser. I think the girls in south africa are some of the hottest in the world though, huge asses, mixed race.

I didn't worry about HIV the same way I don't anywhere else in africa, it may be naive but I just think the sort of girl I target, not hardcore or too rough should be ok and then always use a condom and the risk is low. I think if you're targeting girls on seeking out there the risk will be low rather than say a brothal locals use. At least that's my opinion.

Yeah there seems to be a lot of options in Cape Town and Johannesburg on Seeking. Some nice looking ones too. I don’t think I would use a brothel.

Not too interested in Johannesburg but would probably stay one or two nights to catch a flight home after Kruger.

[Markus]

I can provide some pointers from knowledge and experience I have there. Johannesburg is a great place to meet women as it is mid 20 to early 30 year old single black females.  Most of the indians there are studying dentistry or finance (but you will hardly see them) but the black girls are there in abundance.  Sandton doesn't have much to do but the black women speak perfect english and are quite friendly.  Local tip would be to get a gym pass at Virgin Active or approach women in malls like Sandton.  Just do the naive tourist spiel -  Hi im from the UK, first time here, where would you recommend to see,  you look like someone who goes to trendy places, when is a great time to visit, may be we can meet for a drink etc etc. They love tourists there, especially from our part of the world.  Once you know which spots to visit, try during the student nights (happy hours) or weekends are best.  Dating apps wise, try badoo but otherwise tinder is very popular in Johannesburg.  Seeking is great too, lots of options and just avoid the luxury dining ones.  Get a nice apartment in a decent area using airbnb and get an uber.   You have more chance of being killed or robbed in South Africa then you do of contracting aids.  Don't hire a car and drive at night.  Uber is everywhere and relatively inexpensive.  Carjackings are big in Johannesburg.  Re aids, just bag it up and avoid brothels.  Get a local sim card and move the conversation to whatsapp.

Port Elizabeth I've visited a few times.  Very quiet place but some cool bars along the beachfront which is packed on weekends. Nothing to do otherwise. Durban is another university city.  University of Kwazulu-Natal (it may be called something different now ) will have plenty of students with free time in the afternoon.  Great place to see the colonial buildings which still stand today. Badoo and Tinder are decent there.  Gateway Mall is the most popular in Durban but something about it wasn't great in meeting women. Its so big you feel you are in a maze and weekdays it is a ghost town.  uShaka Mall near the beachfront has a great aquarium and is a different type of mall (mostly surfwear and crocs )  La Lucia Mall might be better now because TalkTalk have a call centre in La Lucia so lots of call centre agents straight out of university.  Musgrave Mall has nice places to eat and drnk but otherwise nothing to do.

Cape Town can feel like one big toilet I am sorry to say. Great places to see such as the Cape Point and Table Mountain but I felt very unsafe there. Even the tourist spots such as Table Mountain have instances of armed robbery . Mixed race (or coloured women) are extremely attractive and sexually very liberal but they stick to their own communities so hard to get a gauge on them.  Apparently the best medical university is in Cape Town but I have only spent limited time there and wouldn't visit again.  Apparently there are some amazing women at the University of Stellenbosch but no first hand experience. Apparently something like 30,000 students go there.  Stellenbosch is east of Cape Town and great for a wine tour if nothing else.  Just don't sleep with a farmers daughter or they will shoot with a rhino rifle 

[tightfoot69]

I can provide some pointers from knowledge and experience I have there. Johannesburg is a great place to meet women as it is mid 20 to early 30 year old single black females.  Most of the indians there are studying dentistry or finance (but you will hardly see them) but the black girls are there in abundance.  Sandton doesn't have much to do but the black women speak perfect english and are quite friendly.  Local tip would be to get a gym pass at Virgin Active or approach women in malls like Sandton.  Just do the naive tourist spiel -  Hi im from the UK, first time here, where would you recommend to see,  you look like someone who goes to trendy places, when is a great time to visit, may be we can meet for a drink etc etc. They love tourists there, especially from our part of the world.  Once you know which spots to visit, try during the student nights (happy hours) or weekends are best.  Dating apps wise, try badoo but otherwise tinder is very popular in Johannesburg.  Seeking is great too, lots of options and just avoid the luxury dining ones.  Get a nice apartment in a decent area using airbnb and get an uber.   You have more chance of being killed or robbed in South Africa then you do of contracting aids.  Don't hire a car and drive at night.  Uber is everywhere and relatively inexpensive.  Carjackings are big in Johannesburg.  Re aids, just bag it up and avoid brothels.  Get a local sim card and move the conversation to whatsapp.

Port Elizabeth I've visited a few times.  Very quiet place but some cool bars along the beachfront which is packed on weekends. Nothing to do otherwise. Durban is another university city.  University of Kwazulu-Natal (it may be called something different now ) will have plenty of students with free time in the afternoon.  Great place to see the colonial buildings which still stand today. Badoo and Tinder are decent there.  Gateway Mall is the most popular in Durban but something about it wasn't great in meeting women. Its so big you feel you are in a maze and weekdays it is a ghost town.  uShaka Mall near the beachfront has a great aquarium and is a different type of mall (mostly surfwear and crocs )  La Lucia Mall might be better now because TalkTalk have a call centre in La Lucia so lots of call centre agents straight out of university.  Musgrave Mall has nice places to eat and drnk but otherwise nothing to do.

Cape Town can feel like one big toilet I am sorry to say. Great places to see such as the Cape Point and Table Mountain but I felt very unsafe there. Even the tourist spots such as Table Mountain have instances of armed robbery . Mixed race (or coloured women) are extremely attractive and sexually very liberal but they stick to their own communities so hard to get a gauge on them.  Apparently the best medical university is in Cape Town but I have only spent limited time there and wouldn't visit again.  Apparently there are some amazing women at the University of Stellenbosch but no first hand experience. Apparently something like 30,000 students go there.  Stellenbosch is east of Cape Town and great for a wine tour if nothing else.  Just don't sleep with a farmers daughter or they will shoot with a rhino rifle 

Thanks for the detailed report.

Shame to hear that about Cape Town. The plan was to fly in there and spend a few days. I still will but will be a bit more cautious.

Do you feel safer in Johannesburg than Cape Town? I read it is difficult to get taxis and it is very dangerous. I was only going to spend a couple of days there after Kruger National before flying home.

As I say it is a mix between punting and tourist stuff and have about 17 days.

Cape Town - 4/5 nights
Kruger - 4 nights
Johannesburg - maybe give it 4 nights now.

Still a few nights to fill. Maybe do a Garden Route tour.

I was thinking Port Elizabeth or durban but heard mixed things.

[Markus]

Johannesburg used to be difficult without a car because everything is so far apart. Uber entered the market so that much more accessible now as no getting ripped off by unscrupulous taxis.  You could hire a car with Avis and its easy in the respect of right hand drive same as the U.K. The issue becomes with car jackings, especially at night.  If this is your first time and for a few days only, get an apartment in Sandton or thereabouts.  Can't be more then £40/£50 a night as pound still strong against the Rand.  If Uber becomes too much of an issue then hire a car.  I used to hear horror stories of gangs that used to throw bricks from bridges on to the cars below so that the car had to stop and then would be carjacked.  This would broad daylight too. 

Also do leg work re meetings before you arrive. Seeking & Badoo. Seeking in particular has plenty for Gauteng.  Tinder when you arrive.  I would choose Durban over Port Elizabeth if I had a choice re your spare days.  Umlangha is the area where Gateway mall is situated. More upscale area of Durban.  Lovely beaches but the mall is a ghost town on weekdays. Relaxed lifestyle.  Hotels are expensive but you can do an Airbnb.  Good luck 

[tightfoot69]

Johannesburg used to be difficult without a car because everything is so far apart. Uber entered the market so that much more accessible now as no getting ripped off by unscrupulous taxis.  You could hire a car with Avis and its easy in the respect of right hand drive same as the U.K. The issue becomes with car jackings, especially at night.  If this is your first time and for a few days only, get an apartment in Sandton or thereabouts.  Can't be more then £40/£50 a night as pound still strong against the Rand.  If Uber becomes too much of an issue then hire a car.  I used to hear horror stories of gangs that used to throw bricks from bridges on to the cars below so that the car had to stop and then would be carjacked.  This would broad daylight too. 

Also do leg work re meetings before you arrive. Seeking & Badoo. Seeking in particular has plenty for Gauteng.  Tinder when you arrive.  I would choose Durban over Port Elizabeth if I had a choice re your spare days.  Umlangha is the area where Gateway mall is situated. More upscale area of Durban.  Lovely beaches but the mall is a ghost town on weekdays. Relaxed lifestyle.  Hotels are expensive but you can do an Airbnb.  Good luck 

Thanks. I am guessing there are no Love Hotels like there is in South America?

I have never used an Airbnb before. Always a hotel. Is there ever any problem about bringing a lady back to one?

I think my plan is Cape Town, the Garden Route, Kruger and then finish in Johannesburg.
That should be enough for 17 nights or so.

[Markus]

I haven't ventured to South America as yet so I have no idea what a love hotel is.   I don't think hotels should worry about guests provided you book a room for two guests. I can't vouch for that as I booked an apartment in Rivonia (Sandton).  You may be able to get a reliable taxi service connected through some hotels but they usually add their cut.   

17 days for those three should be enough especially if you add the Garden Route.  If you can manage a trip from Johannesburg, 2 hours away is Sun City which is a luxury resort with a man made beach.  May be book some guided tours for Cape Town if you're worried about safety. Less danger in bigger crowds.  Table Mountain has had its issues with crime. I used Viator in some European cities and though they are a bit expensive, they have reliable and knowledgeable tour guides.  Look forward to your report back 

[zushiboys]

JOBURG
Do visit the mall in Sandton, plus the british accent always works a charm. I frequently spoke and exchanged numbers with girls at shops cafes etc, very friendly people. Even the hotel bars of Michaelangelo and DaVinci had a few decent birds which I think were prossies.

Honestly you have to go to the Grand (like a premium strip club). Im not into the cluby/brothel vibe but this place was like a German FKK (but fully clothed) with a full buffet (like the American strip clubs) and less men. We paid around 300rand to get in (15 quid) and all services are available in the rooms. I even remember getting an OWO whilst another girl was rubbing vaseline into my toes, fucking mindblowing. Can drink and smoke inside, cool place. I think it was around 1200 rand (60 quid) for this 2 girl experience. But girls want you to buy drinks for them.

Tinder was the one for me out there. I was travelling alone and wanted to do sightseeing/eat/fuck local girls without getting robbed (happened once). All want to speak on whatsapp and after a whatsapp call in British accent happy to meet you. Some of the indian girls are beautiful and built like latinas (busty with big arses). Im thinking about the girl i spent 4 days with (safari, bars, restaurants) and it really helps being with a local... she had a car! and took my for bunnychow (must try). Oh yeah Montecasino had a few decent birds too, blonde, expensive and boujie bitches.

In summary, I went Grand the first 2 nights and then chilled with the tinder bird (at my flat in sandton)

CAPE TOWN
A bit overwhelming going through escort directories there. Tinder was amazing out there, especially around Camps Bay area. Met a few banging birds out there and ended up hanging around with a cute mid 20s blonde. Did the whole wine route etc with her. Shimmy beach club had a few decent birds too.

Spent the 1st 2 nights jerking off (thinking of the indian girl in Joburg) until i went to camps bay (had built up a few tinder matches during those days). I did want to try to get a girl to the hotel room but for some reason she didnt want to come to the hotel i was staying at (wasn't a shit hotel FYI) and wanted for me to book another hotel. I was not having that.

Stick to Tinder in cape town and put something along the lines of "first time visiting and want to be shown around" and enjoy the beauties. Personally i'm not into black girls but there were loads of big booty hoes if thats your thing!

[tightfoot69]

I haven't ventured to South America as yet so I have no idea what a love hotel is.   I don't think hotels should worry about guests provided you book a room for two guests. I can't vouch for that as I booked an apartment in Rivonia (Sandton).  You may be able to get a reliable taxi service connected through some hotels but they usually add their cut.   

17 days for those three should be enough especially if you add the Garden Route.  If you can manage a trip from Johannesburg, 2 hours away is Sun City which is a luxury resort with a man made beach.  May be book some guided tours for Cape Town if you're worried about safety. Less danger in bigger crowds.  Table Mountain has had its issues with crime. I used Viator in some European cities and though they are a bit expensive, they have reliable and knowledgeable tour guides.  Look forward to your report back 

What site do you use to book AirBnB?

I am sure I will do a couple of tours in Cape Town. I want to visit Robben Island and do a wine tour.

[tightfoot69]

JOBURG
Do visit the mall in Sandton, plus the british accent always works a charm. I frequently spoke and exchanged numbers with girls at shops cafes etc, very friendly people. Even the hotel bars of Michaelangelo and DaVinci had a few decent birds which I think were Sex Workers.

Honestly you have to go to the Grand (like a premium strip club). Im not into the cluby/brothel vibe but this place was like a German FKK (but fully clothed) with a full buffet (like the American strip clubs) and less men. We paid around 300rand to get in (15 quid) and all services are available in the rooms. I even remember getting an OWO whilst another girl was rubbing vaseline into my toes, fucking mindblowing. Can drink and smoke inside, cool place. I think it was around 1200 rand (60 quid) for this 2 girl experience. But girls want you to buy drinks for them.

Tinder was the one for me out there. I was travelling alone and wanted to do sightseeing/eat/fuck local girls without getting robbed (happened once). All want to speak on whatsapp and after a whatsapp call in British accent happy to meet you. Some of the indian girls are beautiful and built like latinas (busty with big arses). Im thinking about the girl i spent 4 days with (safari, bars, restaurants) and it really helps being with a local... she had a car! and took my for bunnychow (must try). Oh yeah Montecasino had a few decent birds too, blonde, expensive and boujie bitches.

In summary, I went Grand the first 2 nights and then chilled with the tinder bird (at my flat in sandton)

CAPE TOWN
A bit overwhelming going through escort directories there. Tinder was amazing out there, especially around Camps Bay area. Met a few banging birds out there and ended up hanging around with a cute mid 20s blonde. Did the whole wine route etc with her. Shimmy beach club had a few decent birds too.

Spent the 1st 2 nights jerking off (thinking of the indian girl in Joburg) until i went to camps bay (had built up a few tinder matches during those days). I did want to try to get a girl to the hotel room but for some reason she didnt want to come to the hotel i was staying at (wasn't a shit hotel FYI) and wanted for me to book another hotel. I was not having that.

Stick to Tinder in cape town and put something along the lines of "first time visiting and want to be shown around" and enjoy the beauties. Personally i'm not into black girls but there were loads of big booty hoes if thats your thing!

Great stuff.

South Africa looks better than I thought it would be. Some great looking girls on SA and a nice mixture. I will get my month membership a week or two before I go and hopefully set some ladies up.

I will also check out the Grand one night. Sounds good.

[Michael48]

What site do you use to book AirBnB?

AirBnB

[tightfoot69]

AirBnB

Ha OK.

How do you know if the place is ok to bring people back? Do you put two people on the reservation even if it is only yourself?
I guess you have to look for an entire flat to yourself. But is the owner near by? I can’t imagine any owner wants hookers coming to his apartment.

[Markus]

Ha OK.

How do you know if the place is ok to bring people back? Do you put two people on the reservation even if it is only yourself?
I guess you have to look for an entire flat to yourself. But is the owner near by? I can’t imagine any owner wants hookers coming to his apartment.

Damn, you don't even know what an Airbnb is 

You don't know, same as any hotel chain.  If anything its easier with an apartment as you have an electronic card system similar to oyster to enter the apartment block and then a key/keycard for the apartment. If you respect the rules of the place ie don't make lots of noise and don't trash the place, then most owners don't give a shit what you do.  Just put down 2 people when making the booking.  Most hotel chains are more difficult then apartments as you have to pass the check in desk to get to the lifts in the lobby.   Good luck, sounds like you'll need it.

[tightfoot69]

Damn, you don't even know what an Airbnb is 

You don't know, same as any hotel chain.  If anything its easier with an apartment as you have an electronic card system similar to oyster to enter the apartment block and then a key/keycard for the apartment. If you respect the rules of the place ie don't make lots of noise and don't trash the place, then most owners don't give a shit what you do.  Just put down 2 people when making the booking.  Most hotel chains are more difficult then apartments as you have to pass the check in desk to get to the lifts in the lobby.   Good luck, sounds like you'll need it.

OK cheers.

I know what an AirBnB is but I have never used one. If not for the punting I would prefer to stay in a hotel, especially in a dangerous country like South Africa.

[mattylondon]

Thanks for the detailed report.

Shame to hear that about Cape Town. The plan was to fly in there and spend a few days. I still will but will be a bit more cautious.

Do you feel safer in Johannesburg than Cape Town? I read it is difficult to get taxis and it is very dangerous. I was only going to spend a couple of days there after Kruger National before flying home.

As I say it is a mix between punting and tourist stuff and have about 17 days.

Cape Town - 4/5 nights
Kruger - 4 nights
Johannesburg - maybe give it 4 nights now.

Still a few nights to fill. Maybe do a Garden Route tour.

I was thinking Port Elizabeth or durban but heard mixed things.

I'm not as experienced as some, in terms of places but I've been to Cape Town twice and thought it was a fantastic city. I think you just need to be smart, street wise and keep out of certain areas. I don't think that's different from any other large city, especially after dark. PE I found quite boring, with not a lot do. Sorry, but I'd strongly recommend Cape Town to anybody. Lot's of things to do. 3 nights minimum IMO

[tightfoot69]

I'm not as experienced as some, in terms of places but I've been to Cape Town twice and thought it was a fantastic city. I think you just need to be smart, street wise and keep out of certain areas. I don't think that's different from any other large city, especially after dark. PE I found quite boring, with not a lot do. Sorry, but I'd strongly recommend Cape Town to anybody. Lot's of things to do. 3 nights minimum IMO

I heard the same things about New Orleans, Rio, Medellin etc and felt safe enough in all of them so I am not overly concerned about the horror stories.

I will definitely do at least 4 nights in Cape Town.

[Markus]

Street smart is the right word.  Cape Town has a lot to see but you have to plan it right.  The reason I recommended a civvy is that a lot of them are university students with afternoons and evenings with zero to do.  Just do a bit of leg work before you go and you'll have an awesome time. If you're not comfortable with apartments, stick to hotels.

At night, stick to the popular places in terms of restaurants and bars. I've heard horror stories about Medellin but I still have plans to visit there.  Report back, it would be good to know how things have changed since my last visit

[tightfoot69]

I thought I would bump this thread.

Obviously I had to cancel my planned trip but hoping to visit in September/October.

I have joined Seeking for a month mainly for another trip but thought I would see what the girls in South Africa are like to in the hope I can get over there. Some good conversations so far with really, fit black girls. Early signs are good and they seem really genuine and I have already added them to WhatsApp.

Obviously You have to be extra careful in South Africa and I would use protection for everything but I love black girls so I hopeful of a good time whilst there with two or three meets.

[Markus]

I thought I would bump this thread.

Obviously I had to cancel my planned trip but hoping to visit in September/October.

I have joined Seeking for a month mainly for another trip but thought I would see what the girls in South Africa are like to in the hope I can get over there. Some good conversations so far with really, fit black girls. Early signs are good and they seem really genuine and I have already added them to WhatsApp.

Obviously You have to be extra careful in South Africa and I would use protection for everything but I love black girls so I hopeful of a good time whilst there with two or three meets.

I would be able to help depending on where in South Africa you plan on visiting as it’s a big country. I am currently in the country on and off for about 6-8 months since the borders opened up and will be posting my thoughts on Seeking very soon.  In terms of apps, the best are Badoo and Seeking.  For Badoo you will be favourited be quite a few women once in the country and some of them will be very far away that even drives are a long way out I.e Richards Bay where if I’m not mistaken no flights are available.  There are areas which are prime spots to meet woman in every city.  I would try and avoid mentioning you are from the U.K as that immediately puts the money sign in their eyes.   Women routinely quoting R2k a meet on Seeking which is only £100 in equivalent terms and not a lot in the grand scheme of things but for students who don’t earn a lot this is a lot of money.  Let me know where you plan on visiting.

[tightfoot69]

I would be able to help depending on where in South Africa you plan on visiting as it’s a big country. I am currently in the country on and off for about 6-8 months since the borders opened up and will be posting my thoughts on Seeking very soon.  In terms of apps, the best are Badoo and Seeking.  For Badoo you will be favourited be quite a few women once in the country and some of them will be very far away that even drives are a long way out I.e Richards Bay where if I’m not mistaken no flights are available.  There are areas which are prime spots to meet woman in every city.  I would try and avoid mentioning you are from the U.K as that immediately puts the money sign in their eyes.   Women routinely quoting R2k a meet on Seeking which is only £100 in equivalent terms and not a lot in the grand scheme of things but for students who don’t earn a lot this is a lot of money.  Let me know where you plan on visiting.

My current plans as of now are Cape Town, Kruger(obviously expecting nothing here. I just want to see wildlife) and Johannesburg.

I may add Durban but I don’t want to do too much moving around.

[Markus]

For Cape Town, it’s a big place but mostly here you will find more open minded people as it’s a tourist destination of note for wine enthusiasts as they do the scenic route and visit Stellenbosch and the other vineyards.  Stellenbosch is very nice and I’d stay there.  In terms of women,  mostly mixed (or as they call them coloured) women would be your best bet.   Very liberal towards sex and as long as you’re up front about what you want,  you will get along fine.  You have to be careful as lots of scammers exist.  I was in contact with one from Seeking named Stacey and we were getting along fine over WhatsApp and the next day I got a scam message from some guy pretending to be legal representatives on behalf of prostitutes in Western Cape and I am under investigation for soliciting sex in return for payment.  Reported her to Administrators on seeking.

For Johannesburg main place is Sandton City and the mall in particular to meet women. They are friendly and even if you semi decent looking you will do great.  The majority of black women from Seeking that are students and looking for an arrangement are usually from Gauteng or Pretoria (50 mins north of Gauteng).  Everywhere will require driving and lots of car jackings happen especially at night so best to stick to Sandton and Sandton Mall as it’s very touristy and if you stay within one of the hotels and meet your potential arrangements at the mall, you will less likely fall victim to crime. Don’t obviously wear flashy jewellery or display your £1k phone out in public.   Keep your belongings in a safe for meetings in your room.

I would get a card such as Starling card you will get the pound to rand rate set by visa without incurring any conversion fees and it is better than carrying lots of cash.  You can get other cards too, they all work in the same way.  In terms of SIM cards you can get a pay as you go SIM card from telkom or mtn and it is reliable.  Use a cheap smartphone with WhatsApp and away you go. 

If this is one of your first times to South Africa, choose one or two places and do it properly.  You seem to be wanting a fit a lot in.  Kruger, Cape Town and Johannesburg are all far apart and even though planes are always readily available, you’d rather enjoy the location and do it properly.  You will be able to meet women readily.   I would never pay more than R1k a meet (£1 = R20 I.e £50) as loads of options available and students don’t earn huge amounts.  If you’re after drop dead stunning women push the boat out but I need someone with a decent attitude to match their looks.  I tend to avoid any profile with the words ‘Influencer’ or ‘Blesser’ in their profile as they are essentially looking for someone to pay for everything from hair appointments to shopping trips I.e fantasists.  Move them to WhatsApp and be up front about what you want and if you seem to be on the same page, ask them for coffee at Starbucks and then take it from there. I will list some of my Seeking profile encounters soon but I have been extremely busy so need to find some time to go through them.  Message me if you want any further info and I will do the best I can.

[tightfoot69]

Markus. Great info, thanks.

Ha interesting about making arrangements at the mall. Sounds bizarre.

I am looking forward to hearing about your experiences when you have the time. So far the two girls I have mainly been speaking to have not even mentioned money. One even insisted on paying for half the meal if we go out. She may not be genuine of course and playing a game but she is convincing so far at least.

You also reminded me about having to sort my phone out. I am with 3 and can use my phone abroad usually but not in South Africa.

Thanks and I am sure I will be after more advice.

[Markus]

Markus. Great info, thanks.

Ha interesting about making arrangements at the mall. Sounds bizarre.

I am looking forward to hearing about your experiences when you have the time. So far the two girls I have mainly been speaking to have not even mentioned money. One even insisted on paying for half the meal if we go out. She may not be genuine of course and playing a game but she is convincing so far at least.

You also reminded me about having to sort my phone out. I am with 3 and can use my phone abroad usually but not in South Africa.

Thanks and I am sure I will be after more advice.

I meant discussing an arrangement over WhatsApp and calls but verifying the person at a public place rather than inviting them straight to your room.   It protects you as well.   You can do it whichever way you feel comfortable with.  Use a local sim as I know O2 and a few others are eye-wateringly expensive to use roaming abroad.

[tightfoot69]

I meant discussing an arrangement over WhatsApp and calls but verifying the person at a public place rather than inviting them straight to your room.   It protects you as well.   You can do it whichever way you feel comfortable with.  Use a local sim as I know O2 and a few others are eye-wateringly expensive to use roaming abroad.

Oh right got ya. I wouldn’t invite a girl straight to my accommodation. I would meet her in a bar or restaurant. Or as you suggested in the mall.

I am thinking of staying in Camps Bay in Cape Town and Sandton in Johannesburg.

Did you get a local sim at the airport when you arrived?

Cheers.

[Markus]

I initially used my roaming the first time around but I have to keep coming back for work so I set up a month to month sim and just top it up when I arrive in the country.   Internet and data is poor in the country.   If I am there for long periods of time, I get a mobile router from Rain and pay the monthly charge for unlimited data.  The connection can be sketchy but they should be fine in the locations you’ve stated.   In the U.K we really do have it good when it comes to mobile connectivity.

The two locations you have stated are very good in terms of safety and things to do.  As mentioned earlier the less driving you do, the better for you.  Don’t rock the boat in terms of paying for an arrangement.  The disparity between rich and poor in South Africa is huge so you will find plenty of students who will entertain you for far less then you would think.

[tightfoot69]

Thanks Markus.


Well I just had an interesting conversation with a lady in Cape Town. Got talking and got round to asking how much she would expect to spend the night with me and she said 15,000 South African Rand. When I checked it was nearly £750 🤣. She was a decent looking black girl but not the hottest I have come across by any means. Needless to say I said thanks but no thanks.

I will probably join back up to seeking a couple of weeks out from my trip. I am still hopeful there is some good options but also piss takers like any other country.

[Markus]

Don’t rock the boat.  The country is not a wealthy one.  You will end up being taken advantage of because you are a foreigner.  If you read the Brazil thread, jonn does not splash out £100 when the going rate is £27.

South Africa isn’t cheap and Johannesburg especially can be very expensive just like any other capital city.  You will more more students in Johannesburg as some specialities like dentistry have better universities there.  Durban and Port Elizabeth are cheaper to find a meet and to have fun but for tourists there is not much to do beyond malls and re-gentrified areas.  I can guide you for Durban but am not familiar with Port Elizabeth as I have only been a few times.

[saboy335]

Don't even consider paying £750, that is daylight robbery. You are being charged foreigners rates and then some.  Maximum you should be paying if you are generous is £500, on average you would possibly pay £350 to £450 for an overnight.

[nike]

Don't even consider paying £750, that is daylight robbery. You are being charged foreigners rates and then some.  Maximum you should be paying if you are generous is £500, on average you would possibly pay £350 to £450 for an overnight.

Wow, I didn't realise, South Africa was so expensive, that is almost UK rates, considering that you can get an all nighter, for around £100 in Morocco.

[cockerall]

I normally visit Cape Town once a year, but due to covid I recently visited for the first time in 3 years and because of a certain medical condition I did not indulge,  but in other visits during the past 10 years I have had no problems with Nauwty 40s on 122 Bree Street. Sorry , being an elderly novice I am unable to post a link. Always a good selection of girls there and very cheap compared to UK prices. Out of 6 visits there in 7 years I ended up fucking the barmaid there twice  and it was a different one each time.  Lol! Memories!!
     As far as a wine tour goes I would strongly recommend the Franschhoek Wine Tram. I did it recently and excellent value for money.

[cockerall]

Oh! I nearly forgot. As soon as you arrive and can get Wifi or internet connection,  download the Uber and Bolt apps. Brilliant cheap and safe taxi service all around Cape Town.

[Ding123]

Can recommend a little gem in Cape Town.   Goes under the name of Lux Studio but I couldn’t find much on the interweb about it.  They tend to have 4 or 5 20 somethings on hand in a nice office block studio with multiple rooms and advertise on ESA … place is in the CBD on Loop St … very smart professional outfit with FBSM through to FS on offer.    One of the nicest places I’ve been to (U.K. included) for FSBM.

If you look on ESA their stable tends to have pics taken with a interior brick wall in the background.   Number all the same .. ends in 0378 … very responsive on whatsapp.


Prices ranged from 30min B2B Massage with HE @ R950 through to .. 60min B2B Massage with FS @ R1800… about £88 at the time of writing.

Went for an hour with Kamilla and she was very friendly end engaging …
‘You just lay back and relax and let me take care of you’ …so I did … no problem with multiple pops either.

Highly recommended reading some of the other disappointment on here.

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[tightfoot69]

Ding, are you there now? Or have you been recently?

I still haven’t been but finally hoping to go next year. After a disappointing experience in Spain I think it will be more focused on tourism stuff than punting but will still hope for a couple of meets in Cape Town and Johannesburg.

I would be interested to hear more in general about your trip to South Africa other than the punting.

It will probably change by next year but I have been a bit put off punting abroad with the money I spent in Spain which could have gone on other stuff.

[Ding123]

Ding, are you there now? Or have you been recently?

I still haven’t been but finally hoping to go next year. After a disappointing experience in Spain I think it will be more focused on tourism stuff than punting but will still hope for a couple of meets in Cape Town and Johannesburg.

I would be interested to hear more in general about your trip to South Africa other than the punting.

It will probably change by next year but I have been a bit put off punting abroad with the money I spent in Spain which could have gone on other stuff.

Hi …  no problem.   Drop me a IM with any questions.   I there at the moment and have to say it’s a fabulous place … great value once you get down here for accommodation and food /
Drink.   Can only really offer an informed opinion on the cape (PE to Capetown) and the cape winelands

[Markus]

For anyone thinking about Seeking in South Africa, save your money it’s a colossal waste of time.   I will provide a full report in a few weeks and may be it’s better in some areas but the expectations vs real income levels means that it’s simply not worth it.  It may be better in other areas but it’s a big country so it’s looking bleak and I’m almost done with my trip. 

Will report back fully at a later date.

[tightfoot69]

For anyone thinking about Seeking in South Africa, save your money it’s a colossal waste of time.   I will provide a full report in a few weeks and may be it’s better in some areas but the expectations vs real income levels means that it’s simply not worth it.  It may be better in other areas but it’s a big country so it’s looking bleak and I’m almost done with my trip. 

Will report back fully at a later date.

Disappointing to hear but I look forward to your review.

I hope to finally get there next Autumn and been looking at Seeking and getting a few messages. Not been able to read them though because I have not paid.

[jonny6612]

Very tempted to visit South Africa myself, the girls do look great on tinder etc.  It's the crime that i worry about, even taking a random tinder girl back to the flat worries me more than it would in other countries.

[Dinekid7]

Looking to head to SA- Durban to be specific this Sept - Aug, my preference is BBW black woman, and correct me if im wrong, but there seems to be an abundance over there.

I have mainly been using Red Velvet and have managed to have conversation on WhatsApp, with them quoting 500 RAND for the hour and 2k for overnight, (looking to get an Air Bnb)

Am I going about this the right way, any advice would be really appreciated

Thanks guys

[Markus]

Looking to head to SA- Durban to be specific this Sept - Aug, my preference is BBW black woman, and correct me if im wrong, but there seems to be an abundance over there.

I have mainly been using Red Velvet and have managed to have conversation on WhatsApp, with them quoting 500 RAND for the hour and 2k for overnight, (looking to get an Air Bnb)

Am I going about this the right way, any advice would be really appreciated

Thanks guys

Abundance is putting it mildly, just depends what features/assets you like.   At the prices you’re stating, you would be better off looking on Seeking or Badoo.    I have expertise in that part of the world and was there recently so can guide you accordingly.   I’m a bit busy at present but ask your questions on this thread and I will advise when I get the time. 

[Dinekid7]

Abundance is putting it mildly, just depends what features/assets you like.   At the prices you’re stating, you would be better off looking on Seeking or Badoo.    I have expertise in that part of the world and was there recently so can guide you accordingly.   I’m a bit busy at present but ask your questions on this thread and I will advise when I get the time.

Really appreciate your willingness to pass on your knowledge, and will value it,

Thats music to my ears, to be honest, one of the woman I spoke to did tell me dating app girls appreciate a lot less, which i suspect actually as i would assume the girls on red velvet probably have to pay to have thier photograps done and uploaded on the site

I attached some pics of the type of women im interested in, face doesn't really bother me, the bigger the bum the better and a large chest is a bonus

Like i said ideally id want to book and airbnb, more space and better privacy, are hotels guest friendly? , or can you recommend any parts of durban that are safe to get an airnnb???

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[manny34]

Really appreciate your willingness to pass on your knowledge, and will value it,

Thats music to my ears, to be honest, one of the woman I spoke to did tell me dating app girls appreciate a lot less, which i suspect actually as i would assume the girls on red velvet probably have to pay to have thier photograps done and uploaded on the site

I attached some pics of the type of women im interested in, face doesn't really bother me, the bigger the bum the better and a large chest is a bonus

Like i said ideally id want to book and airbnb, more space and better privacy, are hotels guest friendly? , or can you recommend any parts of durban that are safe to get an airnnb???

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A little bit of chatting at a bar or online for a good man - especially white, will work a charm there in Cape Town or Johannesburg. You will have natural charm and looks to them.

[Markus]

I’ve had some joy with some unbelievably hot women black women a year ago on Badoo.  It works off finding woman nearest to you but you need would need to hit a lot of numbers.   Sign up for the premium and send automatic messages until you move them on to WA and a real meet seems possible.   

Seeking is good but there are a lot of timewasters interested in selling pics and videos.  The beauty of it is that it a numbers game and you will get lucky.  I was annoyed with Seeking but humoured one so much that she removed her account and we had an awesome time (was in to choking, rimming  and all sorts). I need to learn how to post a pic on here and will do so you can see her body.   South Africa is a large country so you need to narrow down your search to specific cities.

You could just visit a whore house as there are plenty about (not visibly present but hidden away in plain sight). I never tried these places as even though in South Africa prostitution is a criminal offence that is in the process of being legalised but you could be subject to a shake down by cops especially if they see your British passport/drivers licence.   Cops can be dirty and will do anything to earn a quick buck.

In terms of area Umhlanga used to be the prime place to stay but has become a little down trodden. Florida road is a road with a long stretch of bars and trendy cafes. It is adjacent to a road called Windermere road which has streetwalkers every night (you pick them and they suck you off for R100 (or £5) the full Monty if you feel brave enough to invite them back to your pad or a local hotel in the area. 

What is your airbnb budget per night/week and how long do you plan on visiting Durban/South Africa?  Ideally come for at least two weeks-month as there is loads to do and you can make a trip of it.   The exchange rate is bordering on £1/R22 due to severe electricity blackouts (called loadshedding in South Africa)

[Citybased]

Just got back after 4 weeks away in the Cape with the OH. Whilst in Cape Town I managed to get at Naughty Forty on Bree Street around dusk and had the pleasure of introductions with at least 10 different ladies of various race, age, shapes and sizes. I could have gone with at least half of what was available and felt like a kid in a sweet shop.
I choose Meme who told me she was from Nigeria, great body and a good laugh. I would recommend visiting this place.

[Dinekid7]

I’ve had some joy with some unbelievably hot women black women a year ago on Badoo.  It works off finding woman nearest to you but you need would need to hit a lot of numbers.   Sign up for the premium and send automatic messages until you move them on to WA and a real meet seems possible.   

Seeking is good but there are a lot of timewasters interested in selling pics and videos.  The beauty of it is that it a numbers game and you will get lucky.  I was annoyed with Seeking but humoured one so much that she removed her account and we had an awesome time (was in to choking, rimming  and all sorts). I need to learn how to post a pic on here and will do so you can see her body.   South Africa is a large country so you need to narrow down your search to specific cities.

You could just visit a whore house as there are plenty about (not visibly present but hidden away in plain sight). I never tried these places as even though in South Africa prostitution is a criminal offence that is in the process of being legalised but you could be subject to a shake down by cops especially if they see your British passport/drivers licence.   Cops can be dirty and will do anything to earn a quick buck.

In terms of area Umhlanga used to be the prime place to stay but has become a little down trodden. Florida road is a road with a long stretch of bars and trendy cafes. It is adjacent to a road called Windermere road which has streetwalkers every night (you pick them and they suck you off for R100 (or £5) the full Monty if you feel brave enough to invite them back to your pad or a local hotel in the area. 

What is your airbnb budget per night/week and how long do you plan on visiting Durban/South Africa?  Ideally come for at least two weeks-month as there is loads to do and you can make a trip of it.   The exchange rate is bordering on £1/R22 due to severe electricity blackouts (called loadshedding in South Africa)

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Really appreciate this,

So yh my budget per night probably be between 60 and 70 a night, really want a decent spot, had a look on Air bnb and thata the price of a nice flat on Florida road,

My only gripe is yes this is probably a safe location to stay ( which should be my main priority  ) but does this place deter the locals? Dont want to be surrounded by just other tourist, but saying that tourist area's do attract locals as they know money is being spent around that area.

But again that also attracts extra police presence, so i guess I would have to keep my wits about me

Really want to get inside some of the biggest bums the city has to offer 

[Markus]

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Really appreciate this,

So yh my budget per night probably be between 60 and 70 a night, really want a decent spot, had a look on Air bnb and thata the price of a nice flat on Florida road,

My only gripe is yes this is probably a safe location to stay ( which should be my main priority  ) but does this place deter the locals? Dont want to be surrounded by just other tourist, but saying that tourist area's do attract locals as they know money is being spent around that area.

But again that also attracts extra police presence, so i guess I would have to keep my wits about me

Really want to get inside some of the biggest bums the city has to offer 

How long are you planning to visit South Africa for?  Are you planning on visiting any other cities or just the one?   Are you interested in travel or just a punting trip in one city?

You can find some amazing hotels for 60-70 quid a nice, many for much less. Definitely get a Starling or a Revolut card. Pay in rands and it is debited at the local exchange rate minus a few cents here or there.  No fees and completely safe.  You would need to carry some cash with you of course but never more than R800 (£40) is needed at any time to buy food etc.

I would try to spend at least two weeks if you want to make it a proper trip and enjoy it.  The food have good portions and lots of variety in terms of places to see. 

I can definitely help you when it comes to Seeking as I approached a lot of women there and had some joy as mentioned in my previous post. I don’t like to be stereotypical about any race but I found that most caucasian women were only interested in pic selling and astronomical figures.   

As you are interested in women with big backsides, you can find plenty.   I would stay in a hotel for the first few nights and then shift to a airbnb if give you grief when it comes to bringing back guests.  Umhlanga is a good place to start (stay at Town Lodge and book for two guests so you have no issue bringing a woman back - less than £50 a night and very close to Gateway shopping centre).  Meet them at Gateway and take an Uber back to the hotel. Do a lot of the leg work before you leave the U.K so you spend your time meeting woman. You can move to Florida road in an Airbnb the remainder of your time.  Always try to pay in the local currency with an International card where possible.

I can advise you a few amazing day trips within an hour driving of Durban.  If you need guidance on Johannesburg or Cape Town I can also help.   When it comes to Durban there are some areas I wouldn’t visit even though I’ve had invitations from women on Badoo.   One sex starved hairdresser who was smitten with me told me she would cut my hair if I would screw her - how could I resist    I have done multiple trips so like anything in life you become aware of how a country works the more time you spend. It is a beautiful country with pitfalls such as political instability and electricity blackouts but on the whole neither of these things will affect your trip.

I may be there when you visit but it depends as I move around a lot.   Ask any questions you may have and I will be happy to assist.

[Dinekid7]

Again really appreciate the guidance on this,

So yes, two weeks would be the duration of my stay, in terms of other cities, i doubt I will city hop, most probably return in a couple of moths to visit Johannesburg,

In terms if my budget per night i probably suspect i can get some really good places for that price, so will research the on the recommendation you gave and Welcome anymore,

Ive stayed away from seeking in the UK because its just silly to me what is being asked, so will have to figure out how to use that... No issue, again would appreciate the help, and im not interested in Caucasian women at all, larger balck woman is my preference,

I have stayed in a hotel before and didn't like the experience, especially when it came to discretion, so actually ended up moving to an apartment mid trip, and promised myself next time I will do air bnb from the jump, if you don't think thats a good idea i would love to hear your reasons why

Yes, day trips would be something i would be into especially to fill the day hours, but main objective come late afternoon /evening would be punting

You said £50 a night, the quotes i got in red velvet were about £22 for the hour, buy i presume these are the professionals? And you being out there probably know actually going rate, less then 50 night is fine by me

I have a revolut card, a monzo too which id prefer to use.

August would be around the time id want to vist

[Markus]

Again really appreciate the guidance on this,

So yes, two weeks would be the duration of my stay, in terms of other cities, i doubt I will city hop, most probably return in a couple of moths to visit Johannesburg,

In terms if my budget per night i probably suspect i can get some really good places for that price, so will research the on the recommendation you gave and Welcome anymore,

Ive stayed away from seeking in the UK because its just silly to me what is being asked, so will have to figure out how to use that... No issue, again would appreciate the help, and im not interested in Caucasian women at all, larger balck woman is my preference,

I have stayed in a hotel before and didn't like the experience, especially when it came to discretion, so actually ended up moving to an apartment mid trip, and promised myself next time I will do air bnb from the jump, if you don't think thats a good idea i would love to hear your reasons why

Yes, day trips would be something i would be into especially to fill the day hours, but main objective come late afternoon /evening would be punting

You said £50 a night, the quotes i got in red velvet were about £22 for the hour, buy i presume these are the professionals? And you being out there probably know actually going rate, less then 50 night is fine by me

I have a revolut card, a monzo too which id prefer to use.

August would be around the time id want to vist

By £50 a night I meant the room.

You can change your location once you sign up to Seeking or have multiple locations and just use it that way.   You can try your luck meeting women in a bar or restaurant as women are friendly but your time is limited so you need to make it count.   I don’t touch Seeking regularly in the U.K but the exchange rate being favourable to you means that even if a woman asks for R1500 for a night in South Africa that would come to around £75.   For Badoo it’s a cheap app and will pair you with many full figured black women but you need to be there so it pairs you with the nearest women.

I discussed a meet with a full figured (not fat but big boned woman) who is still on Seeking who I agreed to R650 for a night (£32.50).  I couldn’t meet up as I was only there for a limited time but I could share the profile and others if you sign up. You get them in to WhatsApp and thereafter negotiate the rate. YMMV.  It is time consuming and could be a waste of money and I used to think the same way but then I struck gold a few times. As others have mentioned it’s less professional and tends to be more students and single mums with time on their hands and looking for ways to earn a bit of extra cash.

Red velvet has a good reputation.  If you are driving you could drive to Windermere Road (adjacent to Florida Road) and pick up some sexy streetwalkers for £5 for a blow and go or £10 for sex if you have an apartment).  There are lots of ads in an online platform called AdsAfrica (similar to Vivastreet here in the U.K) but I have never tried those as yet.  On my next trip, I will try and report back.

You gets lots of classy Bed and Breakfast joints on/close to Florida Road so that could be a good bet.   Coastlands in Musgrave is a nice hotel and I know from personal experience they are guest friendly (around R800/£40 a night for a double room).  You can message me the link and I can let you know if the location/apartment seems good.

[tightfoot69]

As the OP to this thread I made contact with plenty of black South Africans on seeking(mainly Cape Town and Johannesburg) who were willing to meet. There seemed to be plenty of choice.

Unfortunately I still have not managed to visit. I am still hoping to go this year but my personal circumstances are not so great at the moment.

I would not use seeking here or in Europe because it is not worth it but I found it great in South America and I think it would be good in South Africa too.

[Trumpet]

When I’m in Joburg I always get Synclair over.

I like em chunky, it’s a great massage and she’s a lovely lady

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