Why no black guys?

[TheMurloc]

I'm new to this punting scene and have learned a lot from these forums and trawling the ads looking for WGs. One thing I see a lot is that the phrase "Because of bad experiences I don't see black guys", this is even from black escorts so I really don't get it, what is so bad with black guys?

btw I'm white so not bitching just curious.

[vw]

Was a recent thread here

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=233562.0

[Kev40ish]

Looks like it’s the end of this thread 

[Aj280]

Could be many reasons. Too big some say. I think some just find black men extra unattractive generally so it’s a preference thing. Others may buy into black men being more likely to be criminals so screen them out to be extra careful.

[Tricky Dickie]

Looks like it’s the end of this thread 

Not surprising. Surely a buyers’ forum is an odd place to post a question that only a seller can answer. 

[vw]

Not surprising. Surely a buyers’ forum is an odd place to post a question that only a seller can answer. 

Maybe ok should ask on uke, prepare for scripted politician answers though.

[Stealthmode]

. I think some just find black men extra unattractive generally

But fat, wheezy, balding white guys in poor health is fine.

a few WG told me that they like white guys as they are easier to manipulate. A young black bull will want his monies worth, while the older white guy will chat over a glass of wine for 45mins then be rushed out.

[Stevensmiles]

But fat, wheezy, balding white guys in poor health is fine.

a few WG told me that they like white guys as they are easier to manipulate. A young black bull will want his monies worth, while the older white guy will chat over a glass of wine for 45mins then be rushed out.

Of course it is.

 

ALL black punters want their monies worth and ALL white, fat punters only ever want to drink wine and  be rushed.

[Wood2017]

Of course it is.

 

ALL black punters want their monies worth and ALL white, fat punters only ever want to drink wine and  be rushed.

+1, slight generalisation there Stealthmode.

[puntlover1]

I do not think it has anything to do with not finding them attractive. Most girls who refuse to see black guys do so for the following reasons:

1. They view black men as more likely to be 'big' and therefore anticipate painful sex
2. They have links to the black community and do not want to bump into people they know
3. They fear being robbed/assaulted/intimidated by black men, either due to racial stereotyping or personal bad experiences.

1 and 3, above can be considered 'racist' reasons as they involve making a generalization based purely on race, whereas 2 is a fair enough reason to not see a particular race.

[Fuzzyduck]

I do not think it has anything to do with not finding them attractive. Most girls who refuse to see black guys do so for the following reasons:

1. They view black men as more likely to be 'big' and therefore anticipate painful sex
2. They have links to the black community and do not want to bump into people they know
3. They fear being robbed/assaulted/intimidated by black men, either due to racial stereotyping or personal bad experiences.

1 and 3, above can be considered 'racist' reasons as they involve making a generalization based purely on race, whereas 2 is a fair enough reason to not see a particular race.

Or they are just racist.

[Ali Katt]

I do not think it has anything to do with not finding them attractive. Most girls who refuse to see black guys do so for the following reasons:

1. They view black men as more likely to be 'big' and therefore anticipate painful sex
2. They have links to the black community and do not want to bump into people they know
3. They fear being robbed/assaulted/intimidated by black men, either due to racial stereotyping or personal bad experiences.

1 and 3, above can be considered 'racist' reasons as they involve making a generalization based purely on race, whereas 2 is a fair enough reason to not see a particular race.

We all have preferences and some women do find Black guys and "Asian" guys less attractive than White guys, some find them more attractive - to be honest it's difficult to know a girl's preferences without asking unless it is blatantly obvious and who cares?

Some punters don't see black escorts because they don't find them attractive. Yet nobody cries racist, I think it's unfair that escorts should be called racist based on personal aesthetics.

[king tarzan]

Or they are just racist.

And against South Asians too..

[Stealthmode]

+1, slight generalisation there Stealthmode.

I was being hyperbolic.

[peter purves]

We all have preferences and some women do find Black guys and "Asian" guys less attractive than White guys, some find them more attractive - to be honest it's difficult to know a girl's preferences without asking unless it is blatantly obvious and who cares?

Some punters don't see black escorts because they don't find them attractive. Yet nobody cries racist, I think it's unfair that escorts should be called racist based on personal aesthetics.

I understand what you are trying to get at here but I am not sure about the conclusion.

Punters will tend to choose a WG based on her looks ie the punter's own choice and/or preference to the WG and/or woman they like generally or find attractive.

WGs who are serving customers are not doing it on the basis of attractiveness because punting is not dating. If it was based on the WG's preference of attractiveness then many punters would be ruled out I suspect.

So when one hears that a WG does not wish to see someone solely based on the colour of skin - it tends to get our backs up. because as a society we like to think we have moved beyond this basic instinct.

[king tarzan]

I understand what you are trying to get at here but I am not sure about the conclusion.

Punters will tend to choose a WG based on her looks ie the punter's own choice and/or preference to the WG and/or woman they like generally or find attractive.

WGs who are serving customers are not doing it on the basis of attractiveness because punting is not dating. If it was based on the WG's preference of attractiveness then many punters would be ruled out I suspect.

So when one hears that a WG does not wish to see someone solely based on the colour of skin - it tends to get our backs up. because as a society we like to think we have moved beyond this basic instinct.

Spot on PP

[puntlover1]

We all have preferences and some women do find Black guys and "Asian" guys less attractive than White guys, some find them more attractive - to be honest it's difficult to know a girl's preferences without asking unless it is blatantly obvious and who cares?

Some punters don't see black escorts because they don't find them attractive. Yet nobody cries racist, I think it's unfair that escorts should be called racist based on personal aesthetics.

A False analogy. WGs do not pick punters for their looks. If they did, they would be more specific about the type of guys they DO see. You can hardly be happy to  take money from all types of white men, including old fat white men, but claim you won't see ANY ethnic minorities because you are not attracted to them. It just does not wash.

There may be the rare case where a WG genuinely picks clients for their looks, irrespective of race, but WGs like that will ask you to send a photo or have a cam session first.

[Ali Katt]

I do understand, but think about the UK, it's what 80%+ White British? no escort is going to avoid their biggest market, unless they are in an area such as say Lewisham were they could afford to see only Black guys.

The thing is it's not like serving someone say a sandwich in Greggs is it? No Blacks would be racist if that was the case. What people forget is feelings, emotion and attraction is involved for both parties. We get the fat, old white men argument, I understand, but some women might prefer a fat old white man to say a Black bodybuilder it's not racist it's aesthetics, I prefer a size 16 White girl to say a size 8 Black girl that has a supermodel look - nothing to do with race. It is possible that some escorts do pick men based on their looks and can afford to; I knows there was one profile a while back where the escort only saw body builder types, dick must be this big etc. To assume attraction is irrelevant isn't the case, it might be rare, but let's not rule it out.

[AriT]

So when one hears that a WG does not wish to see someone solely based on the colour of skin - it tends to get our backs up. because as a society we like to think we have moved beyond this basic instinct.

If prostitution is ever legalized, I can see a court case where a punter takes a girl to court for discrimination because she didn't see him for whatever reason .

There is a lot of subtle racism/ageism/sexism in society today still. Personally, I don't take any notice of it unless it has a direct impact on me. Life is too short to let a working girl irritate me because she won't see me. There's plenty of others that will and who will provide a much better service for it. I'd rather have a good punt with an enthusiastic lady than a lady who is already biased against me in her mind.

[peter purves]

I do understand, but think about the UK, it's what 80%+ White British? no escort is going to avoid their biggest market, unless they are in an area such as say Lewisham were they could afford to see only Black guys.

The thing is it's not like serving someone say a sandwich in Greggs is it? No Blacks would be racist if that was the case. What people forget is feelings, emotion and attraction is involved for both parties. We get the fat, old white men argument, I understand, but some women might prefer a fat old white man to say a Black bodybuilder it's not racist it's aesthetics, I prefer a size 16 White girl to say a size 8 Black girl that has a supermodel look - nothing to do with race. It is possible that some escorts do pick men based on their looks and can afford to; I knows there was one profile a while back where the escort only saw body builder types, dick must be this big etc. To assume attraction is irrelevant isn't the case, it might be rare, but let's not rule it out.

Again I understand what you are trying to suggest. However, logically I think it misses the mark and at times run contradictory to what is attractiveness..."but some women might prefer a fat old white man"

If any WG is solely going to choose clients on the basis of whom they find 'attractive' ...I suspect that WG will not have many clients

[fairfield]

A False analogy. WGs do not pick punters for their looks. If they did, they would be more specific about the type of guys they DO see. You can hardly be happy to  take money from all types of white men, including old fat white men, but claim you won't see ANY ethnic minorities because you are not attracted to them. It just does not wash.

There may be the rare case where a WG genuinely picks clients for their looks, irrespective of race, but WGs like that will ask you to send a photo or have a cam session first.

My budget sadly limits me to the £80 /£100 per hr price bracket, and 3 years punting experience is hardly a long time - but within these limits i can assure that independent Wgs definitely DO pick punters on looks.
 
A Rom doesnt have any choice where a Sergei is involved and neither do english wgs in brothels for that matter (ofc the service you eventually get is another subject entirely) -  but otherwise it can be bloody depressing trying to arrange a punt and openly declaring yourself to be OAP. My "record" is 6 knockbacks in a row from AW wgs on the same morning - a 100% failure rate.

I know 'aegism' isnt exactly comparable to racism - but i do wish more profiles carried the warning "no OAP's." After the first knockback i start to resent the wgs for not being honest on their profile.

[Ali Katt]

Again I understand what you are trying to suggest. However, logically I think it misses the mark and at times run contradictory to what is attractiveness..."but some women might prefer a fat old white man"

If any WG is solely going to choose clients on the basis of whom they find 'attractive' ...I suspect that WG will not have many clients

I think we sort of agree to disagree. Personally, in the past on civvy street women have refused to go out with me on the basis I am too thin which is bollocks - I have a healthy BMI and I am 6' tall, so let's not forget some women do prefer fat men.  I know dating not punting.

Likewise on AW interviews, any profile which has preference for say Black men or something which is the polar opposite to me such as "Rugby player types" are less likely to get a booking as there is already a barrier between us. It works both ways, there's escorts which look perfect in terms of services, but lookswise they are not my type.

[Stealthmode]

personally Im totally fine with ‘No Blacks’ rule as long as it on their  profile. the last thing I want to do is make a trip only to be turned away at the doorstep due to me being black, or worst still taking my money and not giving me top service.

what irks me is the blanket ‘bad experience’ statement. Just say you dont want to service black men and leave it at that, offering a ‘sympathetic’ reason isnt required and patronising. Statistically due to this country many being White, surely most of there bad experiences would have been with a White man.

its like police targeting black males for stop and searches, guess what, your going to find shit. If they stopped and search white youths exclusivly, guess what, they will find shit.

[Ali Katt]

Very simple question is it anyway racist, xenophobic or prejudiced for punters to refuse to book Romanians due to bad experiences?

[Stealthmode]

Very simple question is it anyway racist, xenophobic or prejudiced for punters to refuse to book Romanians due to bad experiences?

Nope, which is why they are on my blocklist.

[Ali Katt]

Nope, which is why they are on my blocklist.

So why is it racist for escorts to refuse to see Black men due to bad experiences?

[Bangers and Gash]

Nope, which is why they are on my blocklist.

You mean 'blacklist' 

[Ali Katt]

You mean 'blacklist' 

I have a Romlist as well, it's known as a MAME directory.

[Stealthmode]

So why is it racist for escorts to refuse to see Black men due to bad experiences?

never once said it was racist.

i mainly avoid them becuase I know they  will take my cash knowing fully well they arnt into black guys. and for me thats the worst. its the same reason i very rarely pay extra for CIM/Facial/owo, as my thought process is they just dont like doing it, but will take the cash and suffer for it, which will mean you’ll feel cheated as it will be subpar executing.

[Stealthmode]

You mean 'blacklist' 

I also block them, especially the once who offer bb

[Ali Katt]

never once said it was racist.

i mainly avoid them becuase I know they  will take my cash knowing fully well they arnt into black guys. and for me thats the worst. its the same reason i very rarely pay extra for CIM/Facial/owo, as my thought process is they just dont like doing it, but will take the cash and suffer for it, which will mean you’ll feel cheated as it will be subpar executing.

Thanks for the clarification. I can't argue with this, likewise I wouldn't see an escort who openly preferred Black guys.

[fairfield]

You mean 'blacklist' 

Bangers, think you might have missed the compulsory race awareness training at work?  Dont worry, i failed it first time around myself. But seem to remember the correct word is "banlist" - just like chalk board, coffee without milk, and bah bah rainbow sheep.
Wouldnt it be bizarre tho? - if wg's started getting arrested not on prostitution related grounds but on racial discrimination ones instead.

[Stealthmode]

Thanks for the clarification. I can't argue with this, likewise I wouldn't see an escort who openly preferred Black guys.

No problem, hope that clears up my views

[winkywanky]

personally Im totally fine with ‘No Blacks’ rule as long as it on their  profile.

what irks me is the blanket ‘bad experience’ statement. Just say you dont want to service black men and leave it at that, offering a ‘sympathetic’ reason isnt required and patronising. Statistically due to this country many being White, surely most of there bad experiences would have been with a White man.

its like police targeting black males for stop and searches, guess what, your going to find shit. If they stopped and search white youths exclusivly, guess what, they will find shit.

I understand your frustration at some WGs not wanting to see black guys, especially as you're obviously someone who wouldn't be trouble for a WG - why should you be tarred with the same brush? (That's not an underhand comment BTW).

But if you're talking statistics, in terms of likelihood of black youths carrying knives and drugs etc, or of black punters being aggressive towards WGs, then sadly there is a direct correlation. With the former that's definite, with the latter it's largely anecdotal.

That's no reflection whatsoever on you personally, but from a WG's perspective, if she sees 10 black punters and 10 white punters, as far as she's concerned she's more at risk of being attacked, robbed or generally treated aggressively by a black punter.

[Stealthmode]

I understand your frustration at some WGs not wanting to see black guys, especially as you're obviously someone who wouldn't be trouble for a WG - why should you be tarred with the same brush? (That's not an underhand comment BTW).

But if you're talking statistics, in terms of likelihood of black youths carrying knives and drugs etc, or of black punters being aggressive towards WGs, then sadly there is a direct correlation. With the former that's definite, with the latter it's largely anecdotal.

That's no reflection whatsoever on you personally, but from a WG's perspective, if she sees 10 black punters and 10 white punters, as far as she's concerned she's more at risk of being attacked, robbed or generally treated aggressively by a black punter.

Thanks.

again, Im fine with no blacks. I want my racists to be obvious and vocal about it, the worst racists are thr silent ones, plotting and bad mouthing against you in the background.

Every WG as the choice, all I ask is that you state prior and i’ll gladly swerve. Ive never had any issues with a WG, Im polite and calm. When I call and make them aware im black, typically they are fine with it, maybe becuase of my telephone mannner. But if I get a hint they just arnt into black men I wont trouble them, there are plenty of others that will see me instead

[James999]

what irks me is the blanket ‘bad experience’ statement.

Instead of being angry at the VICTIM be angry at the Bruvvas that mugged / robbed / raped / beat her 

[fairfield]

Thanks.

again, Im fine with no blacks. ...

Stealth, that is very generous of you (and i dont mean it in any way patronising.)
Personally i AM disappointed to find that an otherwise decent looking wg has a "no OAP's" rule. A good punt within my budget is not exactly an easy find.
But like you i want wgs to be entirely upfront about their preferences - and not as so often the case reveal it much later, AFTER they have taken your money and the punt has gone sour.

[winkywanky]

Thanks.

again, Im fine with no blacks. I want my racists to be obvious and vocal about it, the worst racists are thr silent ones, plotting and bad mouthing against you in the background.

Every WG as the choice, all I ask is that you state prior and i’ll gladly swerve. Ive never had any issues with a WG, Im polite and calm. When I call and make them aware im black, typically they are fine with it, maybe becuase of my telephone mannner. But if I get a hint they just arnt into black men I wont trouble them, there are plenty of others that will see me instead

I think you're right about telephone manner, and a lot of WGs (especially British independents) want to hear prospective punters on the phone before accepting a booking.

And yes, there are plenty of WGs who specifically like being with black guys, and they often state on their profiles. As a middle-aged white dude I try hard not to feel cuckolded 

[Ali Katt]

I think you're right about telephone manner, and a lot of WGs (especially British independents) want to hear prospective punters on the phone before accepting a booking.

And yes, there are plenty of WGs who specifically like being with black guys, and they often state on their profiles. As a middle-aged white dude I try hard not to feel cuckolded 

Don't worry Bruv. I've been told there's plenty of racist escorts that prefer those of a paler complexion.

[magnetico]

can be considered 'racist' reasons as they involve making a generalization based purely on race

Statistics aren't racist.
If the prossie noticed (from her experience) that she's got 4x times more chances of being roughed up by blacks compared to whites/asians, she'll probably say "no blacks".
Is she a racist?

I picked 4x as it's the official stats in the UK for the ratio of people charged for crimes per race, by the way.

[Bangers and Gash]

Thanks.

No problem.    Now take that giant sized chip off your shoulder 

[winkywanky]

Don't worry Bruv. I've been told there's plenty of racist escorts that prefer those of a paler complexion.

Thank fuck for that! 

[Stealthmode]

Instead of being angry at the VICTIM be angry at the Bruvvas that mugged / robbed / raped / beat her 

I dont think you quite get it. Ive asked many as to why, sometimes its becuase thier boyfriend  is black, or they are worried about family members, or friend finding out or the streotype of big dicks. But instead of using those excuses they use  ‘bad experience’. Not everyone is a victim.

[James999]

I dont think you quite get it. Ive asked many as to why, sometimes its becuase thier boyfriend  is black, or they are worried about family members, or friend finding out or the streotype of big dicks. But instead of using those excuses they you ‘bad experience’. Not everyone is a victim.

Perhaps they are lying to you, if they've had a bad experience before it is highly likely they are scared / nervous and may try to deflect 

[Stealthmode]

Statistics aren't racist.
If the prossie noticed (from her experience) that she's got 4x times more chances of being roughed up by blacks compared to whites/asians, she'll probably say "no blacks".
Is she a racist?

I picked 4x as it's the official stats in the UK for the ratio of people charged for crimes per race, by the way.

most paedophiles are white. If a WG said I wont see you as you are more inclined to trouble children what would you say. would you say to her that you agree with her assessment and she  is correct to not want to aervice you? You would probably prefer if she politly declined to see you and leave it at that

[last_days_of_logan]

Instead of being angry at the VICTIM be angry at the Bruvvas that mugged / robbed / raped / beat her 

You should have stopped them or called the police. 

[Stealthmode]

Perhaps they are lying to you, if they've had a bad experience before it is highly likely they are scared / nervous and may try to deflect 

becuase i am so scary they lose the ability to speak the truth

[last_days_of_logan]

I dont think you quite get it. Ive asked many as to why, sometimes its becuase thier boyfriend  is black, or they are worried about family members, or friend finding out or the streotype of big dicks. But instead of using those excuses they you ‘bad experience’. Not everyone is a victim.

+1, i've seen on SAAFE some explain why they dont want to see blacks.

Not to mention i have seen WGs that used that line and changed it after cause of dusty phone

some working girls say they will see whites and blacks but not asians

[James999]

becuase i am so scary they lose the ability to speak the truth

Exactly, if they've been attacked / robbed / raped by a black guy it's not surprising they would be nervous around them, in the same way people who are bitten by dogs are often nervous of dogs 

[last_days_of_logan]

I dont think you quite get it. Ive asked many as to why, sometimes its becuase thier boyfriend  is black, or they are worried about family members, or friend finding out or the streotype of big dicks. But instead of using those excuses they use  ‘bad experience’. Not everyone is a victim.

its interesting , but i just realised i did a stereotype myself 

he didnt say the Bruvvas were black, they could be white..... 'Bruvvas' cant be white now?