Problems after seeing WGs that offer bareback?

[Wiltsboy01]

Wiltsboy, how about you do the field work on this one. Go punting BB for a year or two and see what you pick up then you can report back.

Err..that will be a no.

I would see a BB girl but condom only for the penetration part of the proceedings.  Seems a reasonable compromise based on my perception of the risk.

[ParisB]

But that's exactly the point of HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus). It weakens your immune system so that another STD might very well kill you 

Yeah but that what i mean they have HIV which is going to kill them anyway at some point ( although i guess we all die at some point  ) but  getting a further STD is as you say going to weaken their immune system and could kill them but why would they care  - they already 6ft under they just haven't dug the grave yet

[ParisB]

Sure that is a logical position - but there are 165 girls offering bareback on AW available today - how can that many 20s girls all have an sti?

I'm not anti-bareback or pro-bareback - I would look at the WG in the round and make a decision based on wanting to bang her.

But by looking at her you cant tell if she has a STD  or not 
Personally  ( and i do)   go from the default position  that if the escort or the client wants bareback then they have some form of STD possibly HIV as they are not bothered about shagging without a condom as they have very little to lose 

[Daffodil]

Yeah but that what i mean they have HIV which is going to kill them anyway at some point ( although i guess we all die at some point  ) but  getting a further STD is as you say going to weaken their immune system and could kill them but why would they care  - they already 6ft under they just haven't dug the grave yet

Not correct. People with HIV (treated) actually have an almost normal life expectancy. Diabetes probably shortens your life to a far greater degree and will give you a poorer quality of life (stroke, amputations, kidney failure, etc.).

Other STDs don't weaken your immune system further, they will be more aggressive because your immune system has been weakened.

HIV is not the death sentence it once was, but it requires lifelong medication and care taken to reduce your risk of opportunistic infections.

[Berks Bloke 32]

Yeah but that what i mean they have HIV which is going to kill them anyway at some point ( although i guess we all die at some point  ) but  getting a further STD is as you say going to weaken their immune system and could kill them but why would they care  - they already 6ft under they just haven't dug the grave yet

From what I have been reading on the latest meds they have for HIV, the new pill combinations mean that it is no longer a death sentence and you can actually live as long as you would before having caught the virus, they also seem to believe that on these meds the chances of passing it on are greatly lowered. That doesn't make it any less serious and I still wouldn't take the risk personally but things have drastically changed over the last 10 years with treatments.

[Berks Bloke 32]

lol you beat me by 32 seconds daff!

[smiths]

Yes i agree, HIV is no longer a certain death sentence as it once was. However getting ill could be fatal, its like with babies and the frail elderly as my late father was sadly. A cold can turn into something very serious very quickly.

[Wiltsboy01]

But by looking at her you cant tell if she has a STD  or not 
Personally  ( and i do)   go from the default position  that if the escort or the client wants bareback then they have some form of STD possibly HIV as they are not bothered about shagging without a condom as they have very little to lose

It is possible in some cases that a girl with say HIV is in a shit-or-bust mission to either infect guys or make a shedload of money but all of the bareback girls? Surely not? Anyway the numbers don't add up.  A reliable paper (academic not as in Daily Mail) put the rate of HIV infection in a recent Romanian epidemic of HIV centered on Bucharest at 1 in 100 IV drug users.  The subset of HIV+ Romanian 20-something girls-next-door who come to the UK for the money on a 2-month working holiday (if you like) has got to be statistical noise on that basis.

[Daffodil]

lol you beat me by 32 seconds daff!

Better luck next time 

[ParisB]

Not correct. People with HIV (treated) actually have an almost normal life expectancy. Diabetes probably shortens your life to a far greater degree and will give you a poorer quality of life (stroke, amputations, kidney failure, etc.).

Other STDs don't weaken your immune system further, they will be more aggressive because your immune system has been weakened.

HIV is not the death sentence it once was, but it requires lifelong medication and care taken to reduce your risk of opportunistic infections.

OK  i understand that  what you have said, and its interesting and i will have a read up on it as well  I do remember reading that they had new drugs that were working more efficiently for HIV
   but for those that are already have HIV  and are offering bareback its upping their chance of dying earlier because like you said anything that they catch ( std) is going to be more aggressive for them than for someone who does not have HIV. 

[Berks Bloke 32]

Better luck next time 

Being to quick never was one of my problems 

[Daffodil]

Being to quick never was one of my problems 

That's not what your wife told me the other night 

[markw]

I accept all this but going back to my original post - has anyone ever encountered a WG with an sti at all? It's all speculation.

To answer your actual question, yes, I have encountered a wg who admitted to having an sti.

It was a few years ago, and she posted on %%%'s board, saying she had caught gonorrhea in her throat (from giving owo), and would therefore no longer be doing owo.

So she was a wg who didn't do bb penetration, but still got an sti. And we know the risk is even greater from bb penetration.

She was brave to admit it on a public forum - I suggest that most people wouldn't admit it, and would prefer to keep it quiet.

[Berks Bloke 32]

That's not what your wife told me the other night 

I knew it, the dirty bitch really will shag anything!!!

[markw]

And another thing!!!! If you bother to find out the statistics, you'll know that the rate of chlamydia infection has increased greatly in the last few years

And you'll also know that gonnorhea is becoming increasingly resistant to antibiotics, so if you get it, it may not be curable.

[smiths]

Anyway to get back on my soapbox, to any newbie punters reading this please consider the risks of BB. Like many punters you might not like using condoms but is your health or even possibly your life worth risking for it. Please think carefully and at least get as much information as you can about it. I find the staff at the GUM can be helpful.

[Dax]

When I first started seen Escorts I was not aware of the dangers of STD.  I actually had done BB 3 times, the first 2 times no problem.  But it was the 3rd time that it alarm bells rang and I got a wake up call. 

I had seen a Hungarian Escort in a Hotel and she offered BB and I took it.  A few days later I started getting symptons such as Painful urine and yellowish stuff coming out my Penis.  I started to panic and went to a STD clinic.  They did the penis swipe(painful as hell) and took a blood and urine sample and then the doctor told me on the day that I had Gonorrhea and told me it will go away after he gave a injection and a few tablets. 

The Blood test came back Negative for everything else, which showed that the previous BB experiences did not leave anything like HIV. 

But for me the Gonorrhea was a wakeup call.  Gonorrhea it self is very bad thing to experience and would not like to again and I swore off ever doing BB again.   I believe some people need to catch STD to see how easily it is to get it.

[EnglishRebecca121]

very honest and welcome

[baltar]

When I first started seen Escorts I was not aware of the dangers of STD.

Was this back in the 60s?

[Dax]

very honest and welcome

Thanks for the welcome 

[Dax]

Was this back in the 60s?

No it was a few years ago late 2011.  Most people are not aware of many STD out there like I was.  I always thought that if a girl had a STD you can see the signs. 

Before catching Gonorrhea, I had never heard of it before.  Nor did I know that HIV takes 6 weeks to find out if you have it and barely shows any symptons.

[smiths]

When I first started seen Escorts I was not aware of the dangers of STD.  I actually had done BB 3 times, the first 2 times no problem.  But it was the 3rd time that it alarm bells rang and I got a wake up call. 

I had seen a Hungarian Escort in a Hotel and she offered BB and I took it.  A few days later I started getting symptons such as Painful urine and yellowish stuff coming out my Penis.  I started to panic and went to a STD clinic.  They did the penis swipe(painful as hell) and took a blood and urine sample and then the doctor told me on the day that I had Gonorrhea and told me it will go away after he gave a injection and a few tablets. 

The Blood test came back Negative for everything else, which showed that the previous BB experiences did not leave anything like HIV. 

But for me the Gonorrhea was a wakeup call.  Gonorrhea it self is very bad thing to experience and would not like to again and I swore off ever doing BB again.   I believe some people need to catch STD to see how easily it is to get it.

Your ignorance is quite amazing in this day and age, but as i suspected there are people like you punting. Did it not cross your mind that fucking a WG who has punted with god knows how many punters and who offers BB to them would be a risky thing to do?

At least you have not caught anything permanent, and thanks for sharing your experiences.

[Dax]

Your ignorance is quite amazing in this day and age, but as i suspected there are people like you punting. Did it not cross your mind that fucking a WG who has punted with god knows how many punters and who offers BB to them would be a risky thing to do?

At least you have not caught anything permanent, and thanks for sharing your experiences.

Yes I am sure their are many men out there that are in the in position I was regarding the there lack of knowledge on STDs. 

I myself kept telling my self that I would not catch anything as the girls did not look sick.  I am sure that most people the in UK have not heard of the many STDs that are out there.  All have heard of HIV and AIDS but how many know of the rest? 

I am not sure how the Education system is now in schools regarding STDs but the 90s I do not remember learning anything about any in school.   And many people do not really go around talking about STDs for it to be common knowledge.   

[smiths]

Yes I am sure their are many men out there that are in the in position I was regarding the there lack of knowledge on STDs. 

I myself kept telling my self that I would not catch anything as the girls did not look sick.  I am sure that most people the in UK have not heard of the many STDs that are out there.  All have heard of HIV and AIDS but how many know of the rest? 

I am not sure how the Education system is now in schools regarding STDs but the 90s I do not remember learning anything about any in school.   And many people do not really go around talking about STDs for it to be common knowledge.

To me its common sense, if your shagging WGs its  logic to check out what can be caught, as it can be of course with anyone. Plenty of information online and/or at GPs or GUMs. My 18 year old son had lessons on STIs/HIV at school, i didnt in the 70s.

I hope most people are aware of what can be caught, but who knows.

[CatBBW]

Yes I am sure their are many men out there that are in the in position I was regarding the there lack of knowledge on STDs. 

I myself kept telling my self that I would not catch anything as the girls did not look sick.  I am sure that most people the in UK have not heard of the many STDs that are out there.  All have heard of HIV and AIDS but how many know of the rest? 

I am not sure how the Education system is now in schools regarding STDs but the 90s I do not remember learning anything about any in school.   And many people do not really go around talking about STDs for it to be common knowledge.

In the 80s we didn't get much STI advice (apart from HIV/AIDS and condom use) so I know where you're coming from. Our "sex education" didn't tell us about the pox or the clap, these diseases were from olden days, like the Tudor times, or the 1960s, man! I had to educate myself, through my friends' experiences. Even my own parents had no idea about GUM / STD / STI clinics - even though they became rather promiscuous during the 90s, they maintained that if anything was wrong it would have been "picked up after donating blood and we would have been told". IGNORANCE, eh!



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[potato]

Err, hard work reading that new profile..... from what I can gather she's had a bit of a hard life......we really don't want to know that do we - it hardly inspires people to book..    Listing unsafe practises isn't going make it a whole lot better either....   The profile pic looks like a mug shot...

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[CurvyKinkyVixen]

Err, hard work reading that new profile..... from what I can gather she's had a bit of a hard life......we really don't want to know that do we - it hardly inspires people to book..    Listing unsafe practises isn't going make it a whole lot better either....   The profile pic looks like a mug shot...

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Looks like a revenge /joke profile. If it is not , then i really despair at how dumbed down some of the younger generation are. What a stream of babble !!

[MancSean]

Pretty sure you were referencing me in your opening quote. Let me explain why I said that.

The risk of getting something for a barebacking WG is higher - by this I mean this; if a girl sleeps a guy without protection, there is a risk of getting something transmitted. Now, if a girl sleeps with 20 guys a week without protection, that risk is 20 times higher than a girl that sleeps with only 1 guy a week. You have to speculate to accumulate.

As for the second part, about offering bareback if you already have aids or whatever. The only way I can understand the mindset of a hooker that offers bareback to everyone she meets, and not be worried about aids/hiv/sti's is that she must already have one/all. No rational person would have unprotected sex with total strangers, multiple times a day/multiple days a week, and not worry about their own health, unless they knew their own health was fucked already. That's the only logical explanation I can think of. If you did worry about your health, you wouldn't offer BB to every punter you meet! And since there's no logical explanation, in my mind, as to why you wouldn't care about your won health, the only explanation must be your health is already gone and void.

So would I go and see a WG that offers BB and have sex with her? No thanks, not even with protection.

One thing that has been forgotten here is drug addiction. Someone who is addicted to smack or crack is likely to do anything for her next hit. Plus if they are a small addict the risk of hep b or hep c alongside HIV is very high.
As soon as I have any clue a WG offers bareback always go off and I would never entertain visiting them.
A couple of years ago I visited English Emma  External Link/Members Only.
I had preciously decided to visit but cancelledc as she had hidden ratings but this day I let my dick think first.
Anyway we were in 69 position and she asked if I wanted BB although it is not mentioned on her profile. I refused and did not have sex with her just wanked off on to her face and went. I was shocked coz it meant she would BB anyone. I hoped I was wrong. But a few months later I saw some guy wrote a FR saying he was offered BB and came in her - I think anally as well as in the vagina. Now was this guy an idiot or did he already have some lethal STI and not care.
I think this Emma is not honest and basically must have a habit that needs feeding and hence will discreetly offer BB,
I would love it if we could publish a list of girls that say they don't offer BB but actually do would be interesting

[Hetfield]

This one just popped up on my radar, and is very close to me, and I contemplated a cheeky Tuesday night punt - then saw the BB listing in the likes, and dropped that idea straight away. Sure, some could say I could wrap up, but to me, it's just not worth the (increased) risk. It's been said before; if a girl is willing to do BB, as a working girl, then she's either so desperate to get punters in that she simply doesn't care about her self (despite this girls profile saying she has great self respect) or she's already got something so doesn't care anyway.

Either way, I'm out....

[what-a man]

Barebacking anyone other than your wife/partner is just not worth it. Full stop.

[Wiltsboy01]

I would love it if we could publish a list of girls that say they don't offer BB but actually do would be interesting

Why don't we do it?  I have the AW links of some WGs who I reasonably believe will BB as they have offered it to me, or bid for it. 

They can't really deny it and if they do so what - this is a punters forum.   If it is a genuine error then corrections can be posted.

People should know it's no good saying assume all pro$$ies have barebacked - as that way who is left to see if you are 100% against it?

[Horizontal pleasures]

This one just popped up on my radar, and is very close to me, and I contemplated a cheeky Tuesday night punt - then saw the BB listing in the likes, and dropped that idea straight away. Sure, some could say I could wrap up, but to me, it's just not worth the (increased) risk. It's been said before; if a girl is willing to do BB, as a working girl, then she's either so desperate to get punters in that she simply doesn't care about her self (despite this girls profile saying she has great self respect) or she's already got something so doesn't care anyway.

Either way, I'm out....

this one?
Which one?

[GreyDave]

Thank God for this disscussion board and you guys out there posting this one was in my hot list

I searched on here for  Bustysiliconemilf , now off the hot list.

[Stealthshagger]

I was going to book a wg yesterday that had no bb on her profile. I texted to confirm oral without protection and she offered all bareback including anal. I just told her fuck no. we should make a list of those that offer bareback but say on the profile they dont. It scares the fuck out of me and I really dont ever want to meet a WG that barebacks. The profiles should be honest so we can choose not to see them.

[Horizontal pleasures]

I was going to book a wg yesterday that had no bb on her profile. I texted to confirm oral without protection and she offered all bareback including anal. I just told her fuck no. we should make a list of those that offer bareback but say on the profile they dont. It scares the fuck out of me and I really dont ever want to meet a WG that barebacks. The profiles should be honest so we can choose not to see them.

please can you share your warning by posting a link,
thanks
HP

[cockneybstrd]

please can you share your warning by posting a link,
thanks
HP

 

[Tjkooker]

Subtle as ever HP

[Horizontal pleasures]

Subtle as ever HP

thanks for the compliment

[Tjkooker]

Don't expect any more though. 

[Stealthshagger]

Im looking for the profile now. I communicated by text message. 2 minutes from leicester square she said, w1something. blonde, and one of the profile pics she uses is her from behind, sitting, in black and white.

[Stealthshagger]

no wonder it took so long to find, she is in norfolk now:

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[Horizontal pleasures]

no wonder it took so long to find, she is in norfolk now:

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thanks
not my type, phew, lucky escape as she is miles away .

[Catullus]

Delicious Jane has fetched up in Southampton & I was thinking of seeing her.  Are you saying that she does BB?  It's not in her profile, but if she is I have no interest.  Please advise, the thread has become ambiguous.  Thanks!

[touch.and.go]

Delicious Jane has fetched up in Southampton & I was thinking of seeing her.  Are you saying that she does BB?  It's not in her profile, but if she is I have no interest.  Please advise, the thread has become ambiguous.  Thanks!

I would be amazed if nearly all WGs hadnt done BB at some stage in their career (either by accident or intent) - but the professional WGs get tested regularly, have got hepatitis A jabs etc and so it comes down to the same old question - OW or OWO - risk and reward. 

[rolf32313]

I use to see a lovely mature woman who after about 6 months in the business decided that she needed to generate more cash  and started to offer BB as an extra. After about 2 months it was obvious that as a punter who couldn't afford a STI I was going to have to ditch her as while the meeting were amazing every time we had sex their was vaginal bleeding (a sign of many STI's) and going down on her would result in a throat (yeast) infection more times than not...

I got on very well with her and had a frank after sex discussion with her about it and her response while being somewhat fucked up did make sense. Basically her reasoning was while she knew all was not well in her pussy, their was no point her getting it sorted right now as it wasn't causing her discomfort and if it was a STI she would need to take a few weeks off to get it sorted and the chances are given she was screwing the same people week in week out that within a week or two it would be back so all treating it would achieve was a few weeks lost money.

From what I have learnt from this experience is if your seeing escorts who offer BB for BB then you're going to have to assume you will catch something sooner or later. If your seeing a BB escort for the thrill of meeting a "bad girl" but looking for protected sex then you are playing a dangerous game especially if you have a partner and can't afford to bring home a easily transmitted (and treated) STI...

[Horizontal pleasures]

Delicious Jane has fetched up in Southampton & I was thinking of seeing her.  Are you saying that she does BB?  It's not in her profile, but if she is I have no interest.  Please advise, the thread has become ambiguous.  Thanks!

1 she is in Norfolk
2 she does not list BB
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[myothernameis]

This might be of a valid point on escorts who don't advertise bb on there aw profile

You just need to check the feedback of AW escorts who offer bb, but don't have there feedback hidden, some of it makes for an interesting  point

I notice some of the guys who have seen escorts who do bb, have also seen other escorts who don't have bb on there profile

Now as far as Im aware some escorts wont see guys who have seen a bb escort, but he escort who will see these guys, are they offering bareback, but its not being advertised on there profile

So you have to ask your self, do you see these escorts

[rolf32313]

This might be of a valid point on escorts who don't advertise bb on there aw profile

You just need to check the feedback of AW escorts who offer bb, but don't have there feedback hidden, some of it makes for an interesting  point

I notice some of the guys who have seen escorts who do bb, have also seen other escorts who don't have bb on there profile

Now as far as Im aware some escorts wont see guys who have seen a bb escort, but he escort who will see these guys, are they offering bareback, but its not being advertised on there profile

So you have to ask your self, do you see these escorts

Their is a major problem with this, sp are constantly changing their profiles. I could (but won't) name you at least 2 escorts in the E1 postcode alone who use to offer BB but no longer offer it publically (unless asked in person!).
Likewise my AW profile has feedback from 3 sp's who currently offer BB but never offered it when I saw them.

 

[CoolTiger]

Their is a major problem with this, sp are constantly changing their profiles. I could (but won't) name you at least 2 escorts in the E1 postcode alone who use to offer BB but no longer offer it publically (unless asked in person!).
Likewise my AW profile has feedback from 3 sp's who currently offer BB but never offered it when I saw them.
 

Learn to take snapshots of their profiles, and them display them on here when the profile is changed to show BB is no longer displayed.

[rolf32313]

Learn to take snapshots of their profiles, and them display them on here when the profile is changed to show BB is no longer displayed.

Is that really a good idea? My thinking is a WG deciding to stop doing BB is a good thing in general for her and labelling her as a STD ridden BB whore for life is probably not going to help her get her life back on the correct path. As we have said before, just because an escort doesn't offer BB doesn't mean they aren't BB all and sundry in a parking lot in Romford on a Friday evening in the pursuit of their dogging hobby...