Punting is growing, will it eventually become acceptable in society?

[jimbobwood]

I think punting is growing at a rapid pace, since the Adultwork invasion.

I've sampled in dating websites, talking to girls in bars, meet up/social groups. Although, I've had some success (not much though) - all the previous options are a pain in the arse when you just want sex/DFK/blowjob. A prossie is a good solution, get's the sexual tension out the way. Getting sex the organic way is difficult and takes time.

If you go to a club, you can see 80% don't stand a chance of getting laid the same night. Dating websites, the girls get a huge list of messages, sometimes if I send a message it says "her mailbox is full". You are competing against so many guys, and it may take a day or two for a girl to get back to you.

What I'm saying is, there are large amount of men not getting enough sex. Whether they are single/married/overweight/socially awkward/autistic/disabled or anything else, the majority of people are not getting enough sex. It makes you wonder how these people get a sexual release - It needs to come out eventually through wanking, wet dreams, hand relief massage, seeing a prossie. Not many people talk about sex, if they do it's bullshit. They try to make out they are getting pussy/female attention when they are not.

I've noticed a few blokes I've spoken to mention about hookers with disgust/negative point of view and I go with the flow, play dumb agree with masses. For example in a bar, this guy was talking about thrills - He was saying that hookers are a waste of money and going to bars to chase chicks is a bigger thrill, even if you are buying drinks all night. I agreed and said" Yeah, they want you out as soon as possible, so they can have a fag" and he laughed. I had a few drinks and I thought have I said too much, was he testing me a bit? Why did he laugh out loud when I told him that?..that was the end of it. I think we are both punters, and it's a shame we can't be totally honest and say we see hookers and enjoy it, instead of this negative view on punting. Even going to strip clubs is acceptable, but punting is still looked down upon even worse than taking drugs.

I sense punting is boiling under like a volcano. No one wants to mention Adultwork and this site must be 100 times more popular than Xhamster/Youporn. Blokes will mention these porn sites, but won't mention Adultwork. Surely the majority of blokes know AW site exist and the purpose of it. It hasn't blown up in the media yet. AW did get exposure on a BBC documentary and AW got flooded with traffic. Was this traffic from women who were curious what men get up to.

Will punting ever be accepted like people talk about porn websites, football, and celebrity gossip? Will married women just accept their husband is shagging prossies but accepts it because her style of living is too good to give up?

It's a long way off, but I sense punting is just underneath the surface and people might open up honestly about it one day!


 

[Matium]

No.

Never.

Prostitution has often been described as the "oldest industry" and Mary Madgalene was a prostitute.

And yet in all that time, prostitution has never been morally acceptable and never will be.

Who would want their daughter to be a prostitute?

[smiths]

I think punting is growing at a rapid pace, since the Adultwork invasion.

I've sampled in dating websites, talking to girls in bars, meet up/social groups. Although, I've had some success (not much though) - all the previous options are a pain in the arse when you just want sex/DFK/blowjob. A prossie is a good solution, get's the sexual tension out the way. Getting sex the organic way is difficult and takes time.

If you go to a club, you can see 80% don't stand a chance of getting laid the same night. Dating websites, the girls get a huge list of messages, sometimes if I send a message it says "her mailbox is full". You are competing against so many guys, and it may take a day or two for a girl to get back to you.

What I'm saying is, there are large amount of men not getting enough sex. Whether they are single/married/overweight/socially awkward/autistic/disabled or anything else, the majority of people are not getting enough sex. It makes you wonder how these people get a sexual release - It needs to come out eventually through wanking, wet dreams, hand relief massage, seeing a prossie. Not many people talk about sex, if they do it's bullshit. They try to make out they are getting pussy/female attention when they are not.

I've noticed a few blokes I've spoken to mention about hookers with disgust/negative point of view and I go with the flow, play dumb agree with masses. For example in a bar, this guy was talking about thrills - He was saying that hookers are a waste of money and going to bars to chase chicks is a bigger thrill, even if you are buying drinks all night. I agreed and said" Yeah, they want you out as soon as possible, so they can have a fag" and he laughed. I had a few drinks and I thought have I said too much, was he testing me a bit? Why did he laugh out loud when I told him that?..that was the end of it. I think we are both punters, and it's a shame we can't be totally honest and say we see hookers and enjoy it, instead of this negative view on punting. Even going to strip clubs is acceptable, but punting is still looked down upon even worse than taking drugs.

I sense punting is boiling under like a volcano. No one wants to mention Adultwork and this site must be 100 times more popular than Xhamster/Youporn. Blokes will mention these porn sites, but won't mention Adultwork. Surely the majority of blokes know AW site exist and the purpose of it. It hasn't blown up in the media yet. AW did get exposure on a BBC documentary and AW got flooded with traffic. Was this traffic from women who were curious what men get up to.

Will punting ever be accepted like people talk about porn websites, football, and celebrity gossip? Will married women just accept their husband is shagging prossies but accepts it because her style of living is too good to give up?

It's a long way off, but I sense punting is just underneath the surface and people might open up honestly about it one day!

IMO in this country punting wont become accceptable to many people for the foreseeable future.

Three main reasons, the first is the media portrayal of prostitution is usually negative and many people are sheep who accept the bollocks journos spout without finding out the facts and truth.

Second too many femi-nazis like Julie Bindel and Harriet Harridan hold power and large swathes of the media are shit scared of these women so let them spout their lies without questioning them sufficiently. For example Harridan literally made figures up about the number of trafficked for sex women to help get her coercion law through. Femi-nazis will plumb ANY depths to ensure their agendas get the most airplay, the truth isnt the point to these people. They know prostitution will continue even if their goal of criminalizing ALL punters becomes law, and drive it further underground making it less safe than it is now for WGs. These WGs would be acceptable collateral damage to them if anything bad happened to them as a consequence.

Thirdly, all shades of governments here hold the view that the correct and proper way of living in our society is to couple up be that straight or gay nowadays, get jobs, have kids, get a mortgage and other commitments as thats the most likely way people will behave, pay their taxes and be good boys and girls. Prostitution gives men especially a way to get sex instantly just by having enough money to pay for it, and is thus to the powers that be a VERY dangerous and in their hypocritical thinking a morally repugnant way of behaving. I say hypocritical because throughout history the law makers and shapers have always lived by the "do as i say, not as i do" maxim. Stuff your hypocrisy where the sun dont shine is my way and that wont be changing anytime soon.

We are further away now with Harridan and her ilk in power than for many years in prostitution becoming more acceptable and if Labour and her get back in power next year i have no doubt she will try to get ALL punters criminalized just for punting. Huge difference of course between passing a law and the police enforcing it.

[Anadin]

Nothing does more damage than hearing stories of people damaged by the industry. Like anything people only hear the negative so as long as trafficking, pimps, violence, desperate women and drug addicts are seen as typical representations of the industry I can't imagine it'll ever be accepted

[wristjob]

We're at a crossroads and it can go either of 2 ways. I reckon in 20 years it will be illegal or acceptable.

Look at porn 20 years ago - the preserve of full on perverts, paedos, axe murderers. The Mary Whitehouse brigade would have you believe only the dregs were interested in sex. Now people seem reasonably open about porn.

Prostitution - you are starting to get pro-prostitution documentaries and even if people don't talk about it out in the open there are enough punters and WGs that trying to ban it would be a vote loser.

[jimbobwood]

Yes I agree, punting is very dangerous indeed. Anything that makes pussy too easy to get for a reasonable price is not in the government's best interest. First of all - the wife/girlfriend can't use sex as a weapon, to let women get what they want. You can say no because you know you can get sex easily. After who've seen a hooker, you have no desire to waste your money and time in a nightclub chasing women.

People always look on the negative side with punting. Where's the voice that says hookers are great, 4-5 star hotels with chocolate and wine, having filthy sex with a top performing prossie. How about the part timers that use whoring to pay off their student loans and to get ahead in life.

If it was socially acceptable, prossies would be fully booked everyday and you'll be placed on a waiting list. Maybe it's a good thing to keep it underground and quiet.

[smiths]

We're at a crossroads and it can go either of 2 ways. I reckon in 20 years it will be illegal or acceptable.

Look at porn 20 years ago - the preserve of full on perverts, paedos, axe murderers. The Mary Whitehouse brigade would have you believe only the dregs were interested in sex. Now people seem reasonably open about porn.

Prostitution - you are starting to get pro-prostitution documentaries and even if people don't talk about it out in the open there are enough punters and WGs that trying to ban it would be a vote loser.

The point with porn though is 20 years ago we didnt have porn saturating into millions of households through the net. Blairs government in the late 90s made a pragmatic decision to licence the porn they found acceptable as a way to try to control it through the R18 certificate. Obviously they werent that successful but it did prove society didnt collapse as the Whitehouses of this world predicted. And some of the R18 porn that gets passed nowadays is really hardcore stuff.

Its just a great pity they didnt have the same pragmatic approach to prostitition though David Blunkett was apparently looking at decriminalization and legalisation when Home Secretary but faced too much opposition.

IMO prostitution wont be a big issue in the election, might not even be mentioned in Labours manifesto so i assume Harridan doesnt think it will lose Labour that many votes. Saying that a lot can happen in 9 months to put prostitution centre stage, a big scandal perhaps so you never know.

[wristjob]

IMO prostitution wont be a big issue in the election, might not even be mentioned in Labours manifesto so i assume Harridan doesnt think it will lose Labour that many votes. Saying that a lot can happen in 9 months to put prostitution centre stage, a big scandal perhaps so you never know.

It's a short term risk, and I think now is the window to criminalise it. If it slips past the next parliament I think society will have softened enough on it. Saying that you still need enough MPs to vote it in and I wonder how many of them are punters.... living away from home all alone

[vt]

We have been discussing the position in the UK, but in some societies around the world, punting by the male population is a lot more commonplace, so presumably it has wider acceptance.

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The UK ranks lowest on this table, though the list of countries is far from complete.

[Jimmyredcab]

Punting will never be acceptable by the mainstream public, if it is ever deemed illegal the law would be impossible to enforce, I would certainly ignore any new laws on prostitution.   

[pianodave]

Punting is becoming LESS acceptable not more. There's a good chance the next government will introduce more laws to restrict it; it may well be illegal in 5 years time, not acceptable! Other countries are moving this way.

[wristjob]

We have been discussing the position in the UK, but in some societies around the world, punting by the male population is a lot more commonplace, so presumably it has wider acceptance.

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The UK ranks lowest on this table, though the list of countries is far from complete.

"The number of men paying women for sex has nearly doubled in a decade, UK research suggests. Surveys of 11,000 British adults in 1990 and 2000 found the rate increased from one in 20 to nearly one in 10 men."

A bit before 2000 was when the internet started kicking in. Before that it was hard, or at least you had to look more actively. Now it's just there, and it's relatively cheaper than it was. I bet that 10% in 2000 has at least doubled again. We've got guys here in their 40s who have been punting for months, I'm figuring they never really had an issue with it just probably not a need and easy access til now. Having that punter mentality would they want it banned?

[NIK]

IMO in this country punting wont become accceptable to many people for the foreseeable future.

Three main reasons, the first is the media portrayal of prostitution is usually negative and many people are sheep who accept the bollocks journos spout without finding out the facts and truth.

Second too many femi-nazis like Julie Bindel and Harriet Harridan hold power and large swathes of the media are shit scared of these women so let them spout their lies without questioning them sufficiently. For example Harridan literally made figures up about the number of trafficked for sex women to help get her coercion law through. Femi-nazis will plumb ANY depths to ensure their agendas get the most airplay, the truth isnt the point to these people. They know prostitution will continue even if their goal of criminalizing ALL punters becomes law, and drive it further underground making it less safe than it is now for WGs. These WGs would be acceptable collateral damage to them if anything bad happened to them as a consequence.

Thirdly, all shades of governments here hold the view that the correct and proper way of living in our society is to couple up be that straight or gay nowadays, get jobs, have kids, get a mortgage and other commitments as thats the most likely way people will behave, pay their taxes and be good boys and girls. Prostitution gives men especially a way to get sex instantly just by having enough money to pay for it, and is thus to the powers that be a VERY dangerous and in their hypocritical thinking a morally repugnant way of behaving. I say hypocritical because throughout history the law makers and shapers have always lived by the "do as i say, not as i do" maxim. Stuff your hypocrisy where the sun dont shine is my way and that wont be changing anytime soon.

We are further away now with Harridan and her ilk in power than for many years in prostitution becoming more acceptable and if Labour and her get back in power next year i have no doubt she will try to get ALL punters criminalized just for punting. Huge difference of course between passing a law and the police enforcing it.

Exactly. Too many hypocritical cunts in rags such as the Mail and Express who try to control people's thought processes. According to them punters, if not prossies, are nearly as dreadful as Union leaders and public sector workers. 

[Daffodil]

Punting is becoming LESS acceptable not more. There's a good chance the next government will introduce more laws to restrict it; it may well be illegal in 5 years time, not acceptable! Other countries are moving this way.

I think you have a point. It's becoming more associated with sex trafficking (even though that's bullshit). I also think it's still predominantly seen as the more vulnerable women who start and I don't think that will ever be accepted by the mainstream.

[domino131]

I don't know of a single country where prostitution is viewed by the mainstream a morally acceptable and normal.  As was mentioned above, it's 'the world's oldest profession', so you would have thought that by now, there'd be at least <i>somewhere</i> where it was culturally accepted, but I think there's something inherent in our nature that makes it unacceptable to most people by default.

You can theorise all day about the socio-political reasons for this, and there have been some interesting points raised here; one thing that strikes me is that for the most part it's something that only women or gay men can really do (the amount of female clients for escorts must surely be insignificant, I believe there has been a thread about this), and so in a way there's an inherent 'unfairness' to this, and perhaps if you wanted to you could come up with some sort of patriarchy-based explanation for this.  There's a book called The Red Queen about evolution in regards to sex, which I've not yet read, but touches upon the reasons why female promiscuity is seen in a negative light from an evolutionary standpoint.

The main problem is that the mainstream will always paint it in a negative light and highlight the worst aspects, and for most people they will never have the experience to show them the other side to it.  No woman is going to come along to an escort and see what it's really like, and neither are most men.  So everyone believes the hype, and the overplayed links to trafficking and so on.

[Jimmyredcab]

"The number of men paying women for sex has nearly doubled in a decade, UK research suggests. Surveys of 11,000 British adults in 1990 and 2000 found the rate increased from one in 20 to nearly one in 10 men."

I would be very wary of those surveys, can you imagine someone with a clip board approaching you in the street and asking if you have fucked a prostitute.   

[pokenn]

I don't think it will ever become widely accepted, but I think it will become more widedspread as the internet makes it easier.

I am well into middle age, but only started punting a few years ago. That's mainly due to the internet.

[Dani]

It will never be acceptable in society for one simple reason ......Religion
Those who believe in any religion will never deem prostitution as acceptable.  Regardless of the religion
Therefor those in power will never be brave enough to pass anything that will see to it becoming more main stream just as legimising or licensing the industry as they know they will lose so many votes from the religious sector.
Think how many religious people are in this country, be it Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim or any main stream religion and then add in all the Feminazis and think how many votes would be lost.

Its why even though I imagine a good percentage of parliament probably punt there will never be anyone brave enough to stand up and say its about time we did something positive, lets give the people what they want, lets legitimise the industry and help get rid of the social stigma attached to it.  It would be political suicide

The government are about the only ones who could put something in place to ease the stigma and slowly help change peoples attitudes but it will not happen until someone grows some balls

[itk]

Hopefully it will. When I visited Manchester it seems there it's a lot more relaxed, almost accepted compared to where I live. Were several parlours and the ones I visited were superb, beautiful girls, great variety of girls and cheap prices with a great service provided. Also the establishments were clean, offered free drinks and had a relaxed atmosphere. Some of the girls I spoke to said that Manchester police basically left them alone, not sure if it was true.
Personally I'd like that sort of set-up elsewhere in the country.

[Sparquin]

I was going to observe how attitudes to cannabis have changed over time and express the hope that similar enlightenment might eventually enter the punting debate. However Dani is spot on. Religion will always condemn the deed and the participants. Time to emigrate?

[domino131]

Some of the girls I spoke to said that Manchester police basically left them alone, not sure if it was true.

It seems to me that it's fairly typical for the police to be aware that somewhere is operating as a brothel, but leave them alone as long as there's no trouble.  Some places you think it'd be pretty unlikely that they could <i>not</i> know that it's a brothel.

The main thing I'd change about UK prostitution law is the definition of a brothel, as I don't think it's fair that two girls working out of the same flat constitutes one.  Apart from that I think it's mostly about right, and it would be a real shame if we were to take a step backwards and adopt something like the Swedish model.

[mattylondon]

Punting is becoming LESS acceptable not more. There's a good chance the next government will introduce more laws to restrict it; it may well be illegal in 5 years time, not acceptable! Other countries are moving this way.

Good post and I wholeheartedly agree. Things do appear to be moving that way and changes elsewhere in the EU may eventually have a knock on effect.

[Steely Dan]

It will never be acceptable in society for one simple reason ......Religion

Not so sure.  Gay sex and "even worse" gay marriage are also not liked by religion.  But look where we are. Western society (and perhaps even human society) is taking baby steps toward more liberal (with a small L) thinking year on year.  Yes there stories in the media about the opposite.  But I think the march is progressing.  I remain hopeful.  But just in case, I'll get as much in now as I can.

[smiths]

It seems to me that it's fairly typical for the police to be aware that somewhere is operating as a brothel, but leave them alone as long as there's no trouble.  Some places you think it'd be pretty unlikely that they could <i>not</i> know that it's a brothel.

The main thing I'd change about UK prostitution law is the definition of a brothel, as I don't think it's fair that two girls working out of the same flat constitutes one.  Apart from that I think it's mostly about right, and it would be a real shame if we were to take a step backwards and adopt something like the Swedish model.

The police know where ALL brothels that advertise are. Nowadays they have a financial reason not to immeditely raid and close them down, POCA.

What we have here at present is a grey area where its down to the top cops in any given area to decide whether to let a brothel operate or not. Classic example was a brothel called Madam Beckys in Milton Keynes, thats an area where brothels have been allowed to operate excluding for POCA raids for years, yet when they tried to open a Beckys in Stevenage it was closed down quickly as the top cops their were anti-brothels. This grey area is of great benefit to punters in my view, as well as some pimps obviously as it allows totally illegal brothels to operate, and i for one like to punt in a good brothel where i get good service. Things could change literally overnight though with a new top cop taking over and him or her being anti-brothel.

Harriet Harridan and her ilk wish to criminalise all punters so these grey areas in their thinking wont exist. What would be likely to happen in my view is the law might get passed BUT the police wont have the resources and in some areas the inclination to enforce it, just like with brothels now. The police lead on prostitution officer Armitt (might of changed now) said a while back he had no particular problem with indoor consentual sex. However, just having a law the police can trot out when it suits them isnt a good thing ultimately for punters of course.

[domino131]

I'm not so sure that religion is the main reason.  Religious types will no doubt vocally take against it, but if you look at the recent legalisation of gay marriage, they basically lost the argument on that because in the end they had no rational basis other than 'I don't like it' that people shouldn't be allowed to do it.  Ultimately the response from the majority was 'well if you don't like it, you don't have to do it'.

The default position for most people who haven't really engaged with the issue seems to be that it's wrong; but it does seem that when people are given a reasoned argument in its favour (or at least in favour of it being legal) they can be swayed at least a little.  I think the biggest problem with it becoming accepted by the mainstream is that the people who are most able to argue the case for it are the girls themselves and the punters, as they are the ones with the experience and the knowledge and are more able to dispel myths and bad arguments; but most of these people, understandably, don't want to come forward and admit to being either a WG or a punter.  There are notable exceptions, particularly writers who are self-employed and don't have to worry about their reputation or what their employer or friends think, but for the most part it's a catch-22 situation - it won't be acceptable unless people talk openly about it (without anonymity), but people won't talk about it openly because it's so unacceptable.

[Jimmyredcab]

The police can't seem to stop arseholes talking on their mobile while driving, they will not stop me seeing prostitutes, I would simply ignore any new legislation. 

I am a law abiding person but that would be one law too far.   

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

I doubt it will ever become acceptable in mainstream society, but I can see it becoming a more and more popular activity amongst a younger generation of men in the coming years, due to  society shifts such as internet porn, lower marriage rates etc.   

[maxQ]

The police can't seem to stop arseholes talking on their mobile while driving, they will not stop me seeing prostitutes, I would simply ignore any new legislation. 

I am a law abiding person but that would be one law too far.   

it will be a very low risk

but once the law gets passed the feminazis will start calling for prosecutions, every now and then a few punters will get caught

the sentencing could be very harsh, being on the sex offenders register will really fuck up your life

[Ali Katt]

We're at a crossroads and it can go either of 2 ways. I reckon in 20 years it will be illegal or acceptable.

Look at porn 20 years ago - the preserve of full on perverts, paedos, axe murderers. The Mary Whitehouse brigade would have you believe only the dregs were interested in sex. Now people seem reasonably open about porn.

Prostitution - you are starting to get pro-prostitution documentaries and even if people don't talk about it out in the open there are enough punters and WGs that trying to ban it would be a vote loser.

I can only disagree with you on porn to an extent, whilst society accept most people (certainly men) watch it. It seems the government want to push for stricter internet filtering, opt in causes and further age restrictions. You can't even buy hardcore porn in somewhere like HMV or from Play.com, and I can't see that changing anytime soon. When I was in the now defunct, Free Record Shop in Holland, you could see that shit on open display. Unfortunately, the government are only interested in supporting voters, which happens to be families and pensioners. So, you get storm in a C cup bullshit news stories about Miley Cyrus twerking to fuel their cause. And in the pro-pros documentaries some of the punters were made to look like sad cunts and other than Brooke Magnanti I've yet to see a prossie I would actually want to fuck on one.

[willie loman]

Statistically use of prostitutes by men increases year on. It is becoming more acceptable, and one day the prices will reflect this.

[NIK]

it will be a very low risk

but once the law gets passed the feminazis will start calling for prosecutions, every now and then a few punters will get caught

the sentencing could be very harsh, being on the sex offenders register will really fuck up your life

We have been here so many times before and I will continue to insist it will never happen. If such nonsense was to become law  (unlikely) and the police were to attempt to rigorously enforce it (impossible) that would create millions of criminals, including lots of politicians.  Oh I forgot many of them are criminals anyway! 

Like Jim I would ignore such a law. I will stop punting on my terms not theirs.
I might stop using parlours or agencies (I have virtually already done so) but if I go to see an indie regular and we are the only two people there, we have sex, I hand over cash. How the fuck is anyone ever going to prove anything? 
Prosecutions in such circumstances will be impossible.

I will say it for the four hundred and thirty sixth time - it will not happen. Prossying has been around for thousands of years before Harman and will still be around long after she's dead and gone.

[Daffodil]

I'm not going to be ballsy enough to say that if prostitution was made illegal (in all its forms) that I would continue to punt regardless.

A conviction for a sex offence, even if unlikely, would cause me untold grief. The risk just would not be worth it.

[NIK]

I'm not going to be ballsy enough to say that if prostitution was made illegal (in all its forms) that I would continue to punt regardless.

A conviction for a sex offence, even if unlikely, would cause me untold grief. The risk just would not be worth it.

Sometimes I get the feeling that people who spout such bullshit actually would welcome such a law. I'm sure it would cause many of us untold grief, although by than I will be beyond caring anyway.
It would be the most ridiculous law since prohibition in America - that really worked didn't it?

Anyway it is all hypothetical as it will not happen. At least not until the Muslim fundamentalists have finally taken this country over, and by then we will all be beyond caring.

[Daffodil]

Sometimes I get the feeling that people who spout such bullshit actually would welcome such a law. I'm sure it would cause many of us untold grief, although by than I will be beyond caring anyway.
It would be the most ridiculous law since prohibition in America - that really worked didn't it?

Anyway it is all hypothetical as it will not happen. At least not until the Muslim fundamentalists have finally taken this country over, and by then we will all be beyond caring.

Are you saying that you think I would welcome such a law?

[NIK]

Are you saying that you think I would welcome such a law?

No not you, nor was I referring to what you said as bull, but the idea that they would be prepared to create millions of 'sex offenders' is absolute bollocks.

I really get pissed off with people who continue to speculate such stuff as you can see from my link.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=35330.new#new

What are they trying to do? Scare other punters?

[punk]

No.

Never.

Prostitution has often been described as the "oldest industry" and Mary Madgalene was a prostitute.

And yet in all that time, prostitution has never been morally acceptable and never will be.

Who would want their daughter to be a prostitute?

she was not a prossie.The catholic church got it wrong.


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[Captain Caveman]

This idea of criminalising punters came up from this lot:

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the usual unholy alliance of femi-nazis  and anti-sex Tories 

They are a bunch of backbench has-beens and never-weres and I can not see any major political party adopting their ideas as official policy.

However, if you happen to live in any of their constituencies, you will no doubt bear their position in mind when you cast your vote next May.

Also, we are blessed in this country in having a professional Civil Service that is very good at stopping crazy ideas getting into law.

[Curious6705]

I believe that in general people are increasingly open and relaxed about sex, and left to their own devices I think that increasing tolerance would extend to punting.

But we have small groups of people who believe they are entitled to tell everyone else how to behave.

So far as I can remember politics has always been like that. Most of us have little interest in it - we just want those in power not to fuck up our lives or the country. Because ordinary decent people cannot be arsed to get involved it's often left to nutters to become politicians and make fucking nuisances of themselves. Harriet and the Feminazis being a case in point.

[jcdmj12]

This idea of criminalising punters came up from this lot:

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the usual unholy alliance of femi-nazis  and anti-sex Tories 

They are a bunch of backbench has-beens and never-weres and I can not see any major political party adopting their ideas as official policy.

However, if you happen to live in any of their constituencies, you will no doubt bear their position in mind when you cast your vote next May.

Also, we are blessed in this country in having a professional Civil Service that is very good at stopping crazy ideas getting into law.

Just noticed that #5 on the list of Opposition MPs in that anti-punters group is called Madeleine Moon.     

[Ali Katt]

This idea of criminalising punters came up from this lot:

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I notice some of the funding came from a Christian group, so much for the separation of church and state. How can Chrisitians that in a lot of cases haven't even touched a thigh before marriage, possibly understand why men (and women) choose to be promiscuous.

[thewonderingdick]

Lets hope it never changes we need our dirty little secrets 

[dilettante]

she was not a prossie.The catholic church got it wrong.


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Something else they aren't too keen on (from the article above) -

... among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses ...

Presumably Joses here is Jesus, his brother James wrote one of the Letters in the NT.  In fact I think Jesus had quite a large family, whom he saw as an encumbrance and tried to distance himself from after he started his miracle tour.

But how readily the Catholic Church will admit this I don't know - that after the "virgin birth" Mary and Joseph went on to bring up a normal family ... my uncle said that at school in Ireland they once got some new textbooks that mentioned this, but which were hurriedly recalled and never seen again.

[Stoking]

I actually did this on my uni course  not that long ago (god my young age coming through  ).....

It's weird actually, since the sexual revolution of the 60's and decrease in religion there's actually growing intolerance to prostitution. The younger you are the more likely your opposed to it.

It's weird since before ww2 prostitution was fairly commonplace and open. Hell even in ww1, ww2, post war japan, korea and japan you had government sorting out prostitutes for the soldiers and sailors (directly and indirectly). Not just the Japs who are the famous examples, but the germans, russians, french, british and americans all did it.

Even in times gone by when we were supposedly more religious, even some popes encourages people to sin with prostitutes rather than their wives or by cheating. Hell in even older European cultures it was common place and widely accepted. Actually before Amsterdam gained the title, britain used to be the European capital of prostitution!

Either way I think sex is seen as a more personal thing now due to the 60's... it for some hypocritical reason encouraged ONS but discouraged paying for sex..... complete nutters.....

[domino131]

It's weird actually, since the sexual revolution of the 60's and decrease in religion there's actually growing intolerance to prostitution. The younger you are the more likely your opposed to it.

People often think that young people are by default more liberal and open minded, but I think in fact they're often way more conservative and right-wing than people assume.  I also think that in general, people who don't have any experience or don't have much knowledge of prostitution tend to take the default line that it's bad and exploitative and all those things, because that's how it's generally presented by the mainstream media; and of course young people tend not to have as much knowledge or experience.

[Boundless]

I actually did this on my uni course  not that long ago (god my young age coming through  ).....

It's weird actually, since the sexual revolution of the 60's and decrease in religion there's actually growing intolerance to prostitution. The younger you are the more likely your opposed to it.

It's weird since before ww2 prostitution was fairly commonplace and open. Hell even in ww1, ww2, post war japan, korea and japan you had government sorting out prostitutes for the soldiers and sailors (directly and indirectly). Not just the Japs who are the famous examples, but the germans, russians, french, british and americans all did it.

Even in times gone by when we were supposedly more religious, even some popes encourages people to sin with prostitutes rather than their wives or by cheating. Hell in even older European cultures it was common place and widely accepted. Actually before Amsterdam gained the title, britain used to be the European capital of prostitution!

Either way I think sex is seen as a more personal thing now due to the 60's... it for some hypocritical reason encouraged ONS but discouraged paying for sex..... complete nutters.....

On a recent trip up North I visited a few forts on Hadrians wall and we were informed that each used to have a settlement of "camp followers" adjacent to provide "services" for the soldiers who weren't allowed to marry. I can imagine the girls making a decent living with 800 odd guys nearby! Of course, a lot got pregnant along the way, adding to our mixed cultural heritage!

[thewonderingdick]

Man cant live by bread alone!but by pussy and the more the better!!

[punk]

Something else they aren't too keen on (from the article above) -
 Presumably Joses here is Jesus, his brother James wrote one of the Letters in the NT.  In fact I think Jesus had quite a large family, whom he saw as an encumbrance and tried to distance himself from after he started his miracle tour.

But how readily the Catholic Church will admit this I don't know - that after the "virgin birth" Mary and Joseph went on to bring up a normal family ... my uncle said that at school in Ireland they once got some new textbooks that mentioned this, but which were hurriedly recalled and never seen again.

it clearly states that jesus had brothers one of them was james.James is important because he was one of the disciples, as far as i know he was the only directly related brother of jesus who was a disciple.

[punk]

I actually did this on my uni course  not that long ago (god my young age coming through  ).....

It's weird actually, since the sexual revolution of the 60's and decrease in religion there's actually growing intolerance to prostitution. The younger you are the more likely your opposed to it.

It's weird since before ww2 prostitution was fairly commonplace and open. Hell even in ww1, ww2, post war japan, korea and japan you had government sorting out prostitutes for the soldiers and sailors (directly and indirectly). Not just the Japs who are the famous examples, but the germans, russians, french, british and americans all did it.

Even in times gone by when we were supposedly more religious, even some popes encourages people to sin with prostitutes rather than their wives or by cheating. Hell in even older European cultures it was common place and widely accepted. Actually before Amsterdam gained the title, britain used to be the European capital of prostitution!

Either way I think sex is seen as a more personal thing now due to the 60's... it for some hypocritical reason encouraged ONS but discouraged paying for sex..... complete nutters.....

there always been whores and there always will be.Just some you have to pay for.

[Horizontal pleasures]

There is also the NIMBY issue, even if it, (or we) are tolerated as illegal but not pursued, people do not like it in their back yard, in their neighbourhood.

Could Cynthia Payne have her parties in Ambleside Avenue, Streatham today any more easily than 30 or 40 years ago?