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Offline mike63

Fame indeed! The column is based around the story of Sir Martin Sorrell being sacked from his company for using his company credit card to punt in Shepheard Market in Mayfair.


Offline denneboom

Silly article. It says women are ranked out of ten.  I have never seen that on here so that's a lie.

Also alleges that WG's are threatened with bad reviews if they don't have sex without charge.

Serious accusations


Offline king tarzan

Silly article. It says women are ranked out of ten.  I have never seen that on here so that's a lie.

Also alleges that WG's are threatened with bad reviews if they don't have sex without charge.

Serious accusations

There always will be outlandish accusations.
Banned reason: Misogynist who gets free bookings from agencies for pos reviews.
Banned by: daviemac

Offline Marmalade

Interesting publicity.

And now we know that the English Collective is run by bitter old cunts (as if we hadn’t  guessed).

Davido0007

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Silly article. It says women are ranked out of ten.  I have never seen that on here so that's a lie.

Also alleges that WG's are threatened with bad reviews if they don't have sex without charge.

Serious accusations

I've seen many reviews with marks out of 10. Obviously the bad review thing is just picking on extreme outliers.

Online Jonestown

From a previous forum one of my reviews was quoted in The Guardian, I look forward to going upmarket to The Times.



Offline magnetico


saturday june 16 2018
Prostitution ‘Tripadvisor’ site condemned
Gurpreet Narwan
June 16 2018, 12:01am, The Times


Mayfair’s Shepherd Market comes alive with a gaggle of colourful characters on long, hot summer evenings.

Over cocktails and charcuterie boards, revellers gossip and chatter in the square, many oblivious to the shabby door marked 50A, which remains perpetually ajar in the far corner.

For those who venture inside, a narrow set of stairs takes them to the “beautiful model” inside. On the top floor, overlooking grand stucco terraces and posh wine bars, she offers oral sex and more for £160 an hour.

“Walk-ups” are small flats dotted around London that are occupied by a single sex worker who is usually accompanied by a maid. The woman in this particular Mayfair walk-up has been inundated with “punters” since it was claimed that Sir Martin Sorrell, the former boss of the advertising firm WPP, visited the site allegedly using company expenses — a claim that he strenuously denies. She is about 5ft 6in, her hair falls to her shoulders and is wavy and golden-brown. She fits the description of Scarlett, a sex worker who has been discussed at length on a website called UKPunting.

Walk-up encounters are typically unpredictable and fleeting affairs but many “punters” visiting them are now doing their research by reading online reviews on a website dubbed the “Tripadvisor of prostitution”.

On UKPunting users comment about the appearance, performance and attitude of prostitutes in walk-ups and brothels across the country. The users say it helps them seek out value for money but for others it is a cesspit of misogyny and spiteful abuse.

“I don’t really want someone talking about my breasts online, what they look or feel like. I prefer not to go on it at all and like to think that the guys that I see wouldn’t leave comments on a website like that,” said the woman standing in the doorway. Unbeknown to her, the walk-up has been discussed at length on UKPunting. “I would compare her to Cherry in terms of looks, character and service. She’s quite pleasant to chat to. Recommended,” wrote one satisfied customer. Another wrote: “Once I was in I could see she was a lot shorter than I thought . . . not as fit . . . the angle I saw here from the stairs had been deceptive . . . she was kind of stumpy but not too bad . . . quite pretty in her own way and kind of shy and seemed like she would be submissive.”

The website was founded in 2010 by a seasoned user of prostitutes who goes by the name of Nik. He said that it was an alternative to the sites that were “funded by advertising from service providers, therefore they had, and still have, vested interests in portraying a favourable and often false image of the paid sex scene”.

In a similar fashion to restaurants and bed & breakfasts on Tripadvisor, women are ranked out of ten, users compare prices and throw around accusations sex workers are submitting fake reviews. Women have also reported being threatened with bad reviews if they do not have sex without charge.

On the site, Nik offers tips and advice to punters, ranging from “working girls do not look as good as their photographs, which often flatter them” to “girls who ask for the money and then assiduously count it before stashing it away are never as good as those who are more laid back about it”.

Sex workers described the website as “disgusting and horrible”. One escort based in London told The Times: “It is the most derogatory site I’ve ever known and it is seriously bad for women’s mental health. I’ve heard of sex workers being driven to suicide. I don’t go on it and it’s best to avoid it but I cannot believe it is allowed to exist.”

The English Collective of Prostitutes, which campaigns for the decriminalisation of sex work, said that some clients harassed and bullied sex workers on the site.

Offline king tarzan

saturday june 16 2018
Prostitution ‘Tripadvisor’ site condemned
Gurpreet Narwan
June 16 2018, 12:01am, The Times


Mayfair’s Shepherd Market comes alive with a gaggle of colourful characters on long, hot summer evenings.

Over cocktails and charcuterie boards, revellers gossip and chatter in the square, many oblivious to the shabby door marked 50A, which remains perpetually ajar in the far corner.

For those who venture inside, a narrow set of stairs takes them to the “beautiful model” inside. On the top floor, overlooking grand stucco terraces and posh wine bars, she offers oral sex and more for £160 an hour.

“Walk-ups” are small flats dotted around London that are occupied by a single sex worker who is usually accompanied by a maid. The woman in this particular Mayfair walk-up has been inundated with “punters” since it was claimed that Sir Martin Sorrell, the former boss of the advertising firm WPP, visited the site allegedly using company expenses — a claim that he strenuously denies. She is about 5ft 6in, her hair falls to her shoulders and is wavy and golden-brown. She fits the description of Scarlett, a sex worker who has been discussed at length on a website called UKPunting.

Walk-up encounters are typically unpredictable and fleeting affairs but many “punters” visiting them are now doing their research by reading online reviews on a website dubbed the “Tripadvisor of prostitution”.

On UKPunting users comment about the appearance, performance and attitude of prostitutes in walk-ups and brothels across the country. The users say it helps them seek out value for money but for others it is a cesspit of misogyny and spiteful abuse.

“I don’t really want someone talking about my breasts online, what they look or feel like. I prefer not to go on it at all and like to think that the guys that I see wouldn’t leave comments on a website like that,” said the woman standing in the doorway. Unbeknown to her, the walk-up has been discussed at length on UKPunting. “I would compare her to Cherry in terms of looks, character and service. She’s quite pleasant to chat to. Recommended,” wrote one satisfied customer. Another wrote: “Once I was in I could see she was a lot shorter than I thought . . . not as fit . . . the angle I saw here from the stairs had been deceptive . . . she was kind of stumpy but not too bad . . . quite pretty in her own way and kind of shy and seemed like she would be submissive.”

The website was founded in 2010 by a seasoned user of prostitutes who goes by the name of Nik. He said that it was an alternative to the sites that were “funded by advertising from service providers, therefore they had, and still have, vested interests in portraying a favourable and often false image of the paid sex scene”.

In a similar fashion to restaurants and bed & breakfasts on Tripadvisor, women are ranked out of ten, users compare prices and throw around accusations sex workers are submitting fake reviews. Women have also reported being threatened with bad reviews if they do not have sex without charge.

On the site, Nik offers tips and advice to punters, ranging from “working girls do not look as good as their photographs, which often flatter them” to “girls who ask for the money and then assiduously count it before stashing it away are never as good as those who are more laid back about it”.

Sex workers described the website as “disgusting and horrible”. One escort based in London told The Times: “It is the most derogatory site I’ve ever known and it is seriously bad for women’s mental health. I’ve heard of sex workers being driven to suicide. I don’t go on it and it’s best to avoid it but I cannot believe it is allowed to exist.”

The English Collective of Prostitutes, which campaigns for the decriminalisation of sex work, said that some clients harassed and bullied sex workers on the site.

They should shut the fuck up
Lots of them make extremely good income based on positive reviews from this site..
Banned reason: Misogynist who gets free bookings from agencies for pos reviews.
Banned by: daviemac

Online RedKettle

There is a similar thread on the main board and that included a full copy of the article for those who cannot get past the pay wall.

Davido0007

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They should shut the fuck up
Lots of them make extremely good income based on positive reviews from this site..

A lot of what is said in the article is true though. Just they don't state the good that comes from it either, so ends up being very biased.

Offline NIK

This explains why I have been contacted by a journalist. She hasn't said what it's about.
I ought to have known.   :rolleyes:

Offline Jimmyredcab

What these idiots don't realise is that when they mention a site like UKP it simply boosts the membership and the traffic to the site.

I seem to remember Harriet Harman doing a similar thing with pro$$ienet -------when it was a popular forum.

samsungsamsung

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I hope there is UK punt equivalent  of the people who author articles like theses.
Review and critical  analysis of any service provider is quintessential right of any civilised society.

Offline Dopedj

I have a feeling this will not end well—with these crazy liberals ,insane no fun feminists and the so called “me too” movement  :dash: :dash:
« Last Edit: June 16, 2018, 10:54:36 am by Dopedj »

Offline smiths

Of course no mention of the extra business some WGs get after getting positive reviews on here. A WG is a service provider who hopefully freely advertises in the public arena or in the case of Walk-Ups which I don't punt in is known to be a WG to punters in the area or they stumble across it. What that means is punters can discuss them on here, nothing at all wrong with a trip advisor for WGs in my book. Its a very good thing and like any kind of trip advisor its for the user primarily, no doubt other businesses that get negative feedback/reviews online don't like it, bad luck, improve your service or fuck off. It is of course mock outrage as its WGs selling sex.

As usual lazy biased journos writing bollocks that suits their agenda. :thumbsdown: Always makes me chuckle that they pretend it comes as news to them, as though this is a new thing, in fact here the previous site before UKP was founded in 1999. In the noughties Harriet Harridan made a song and dance about it along the same lines and said it should go, it got a massive increase in members at least for a while. :rolleyes: Arnie then the governor of California basically told her to fuck off as that's where it was then hosted apparently.

Admin does a fantastic job for the benefit of punters on UKP as did NIK previously, WGs have SAAFE, punters have UKP fortunately.

Offline mike63

Smiths-your comment about SP's having Saafe is very apt considering the comments attributed to the English Collective of Prostitutes. Suggesting to them that SP's should not have a forum for advice and warnings would not go down well I suspect.

OldAdmin

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I don't see any significant jump in traffic, guess that shows not many pay to read The Times.
Maybe Daily Mail would be better  :cool:

Offline LLPunting

Looks like its pay to view only

More of a rip-off than some of the scammers we tell each other to avoid considering their claims of being professional journalists who thoroughly research their work.  Can't see them claiming to be apolitical or unbiased in their reporting.  Worse than "Oral without (at discretion)"
« Last Edit: June 16, 2018, 12:45:54 pm by LLPunting »

Offline HS4000Kestral

What’s the difference between UKP and AW in terms of reviews?

vw

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What’s the difference between UKP and AW in terms of reviews?

One reflects reality the other is AW.

Offline bhudda

I don't see any significant jump in traffic, guess that shows not many pay to read The Times

Or maybe those that do are already members anyway

Offline LLPunting

I don't see any significant jump in traffic, guess that shows not many pay to read The Times.
Maybe Daily Mail would be better  :cool:

Or perhaps all the interested Times readers are already here benefiting from the information shared.  ;)   :thumbsup:   :drinks:
Your welcome lads.  Now drop a line to the editors and tell them unless their journos start writing properly balanced and researched articles you're off to The Guardian with your sub.

Offline LLPunting


Offline LLPunting

Given the accusation reported in a recent article in The Times are any of the punters on here aware of any girls past or present who have self-harmed, had a breakdown or committed suicide because of a bad review (whether maliciously lodged or a factual accounting of events)?

Offline LLPunting

Any of you lads heard from any SPs about them being conned to do unpublished services under threat of a (malicious) bad review?  Or being bribed with the promise of a good review?  Or asked to give a discount in return for a good review?
 

Offline mike63

 LL- please don't mix up The Times with The Guardian. The Times has contempt for poor people- The Guardian has contempt for everyone else. :hi:

OldAdmin

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Given the accusation reported in a recent article in The Times are any of the punters on here aware of any girls past or present who have self-harmed, had a breakdown or committed suicide because of a bad review (whether maliciously lodged or a factual accounting of events)?

The Pro$$ieNet sisterhood   :cool:

Offline PatMacGroin

There has been the odd rare comment posted that has made me suspicious members could be trying to leverage their presence here on UKP to some advantage with SP's. Potentially, it's possible some of the most established or influential members could do that effectively. Even relative newbies could attempt it. But, I've not seen or heard any damning, direct evidence.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2018, 02:16:32 pm by PatMacGroin »

mrhappypants

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I don't see any significant jump in traffic, guess that shows not many pay to read The Times.
Maybe Daily Mail would be better  :cool:

I am really surprised by that.  I think a lot more punters would use the site if they were aware of it’s existence.

The accusations in the article are tenuous.  What worries me more is the attempt by the “anti” lobby to conflate “paying for sex” with “trafficking”.  This is a debate that is bound to be had in public by the ignorant and ill informed - a concern for us all.

Offline SohoScarlett

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This article is so frustrating because the way it's written makes it sound as though I was the girl that was interviewed. Just to clarify, it wasn't. I don't even work at Shepherd Market any more.

Offline hungrypunt

“Tripadvisor of prostitution”

Quality right there  :lol: Admin I expect a star rating system, and also a "have you also seen" system next time I post a review.

I can see it now  :lol: :lol: merchandise flooding the streets ,



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« Last Edit: June 16, 2018, 04:53:02 pm by hungrypunt »


Offline maxxblue

This explains why I have been contacted by a journalist. She hasn't said what it's about.
I ought to have known.   :rolleyes:

How did they find your contact details, or were you contacted on here?

Offline willie loman

I imagine traffic will increase as other papers reprint the article in the times, as long as the new members aren't like james , its good news.

vw

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I imagine traffic will increase as other papers reprint the article in the times, as long as the new members aren't like james , its good news.
Hope they are more like james than the likes of tazman or the bin full of banned members.


Will attract more trolls than anything. 

SR7

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I don't see any significant jump in traffic, guess that shows not many pay to read The Times.
Maybe Daily Mail would be better  :cool:

Monday’s papers are often filled out with stories nicked from the others’ weekend editions so this may get regurgitated early next week (though I hope not).

vw

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Given the accusation reported in a recent article in The Times are any of the punters on here aware of any girls past or present who have self-harmed, had a breakdown or committed suicide because of a bad review (whether maliciously lodged or a factual accounting of events)?

maybe that prick phaedrus or captain roscoe helped write the article with his bullshit .

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=200538.msg2078560#msg2078560

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=200538.msg2070701#msg2070701

Anyone still missing these 2? 

Offline LLPunting

“Tripadvisor of prostitution”
...

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Nice one!

I'll have one of the t-shirts in SML pls and 2 of the graphic as bum'her stickers and 2 as roundels to go in the window a la Neighbourhood watch.

Admin, perhaps we can get some of the best girls involved and wearing these in XL over lingerie when they greet punters.  A sign of quality.

Might be able to get an ad into CL for a bunch of promo girls to wear these and walk down Oxford St, King's Rd, Bayswater, Shoreditch, Knightsbridge and Trafalgar Sq.


Offline bearcat69

The irony of these types of articles is that they claim to care about the causes of prostitutes and women's rights, but all they really serve to do if reinforce negative stereotypes and an us versus them type attitude. They protest disgust and shock but leer with a creepy titillated eye at something which clearly fascinates them and their sheltered readership. All the time outright lying, making very serious but unsubstantiated claims, and only telling one side of the story. Scumbag journalism at it worst.

Offline LLPunting

LL- please don't mix up The Times with The Guardian. The Times has contempt for poor people- The Guardian has contempt for everyone else. :hi:

The Guardian has contempt for everyone, some are shown this with unabashed prejudiced opinion others are simply patronised and condescended to.

Offline willie loman

The irony of these types of articles is that they claim to care about the causes of prostitutes and women's rights, but all they really serve to do if reinforce negative stereotypes and an us versus them type attitude. They protest disgust and shock but leer with a creepy titillated eye at something which clearly fascinates them and their sheltered readership. All the time outright lying, making very serious but unsubstantiated claims, and only telling one side of the story. Scumbag journalism at it worst.

Yes as clive james observed about the news of the world, they revel in what they condemn.

Davido0007

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Yes as clive james observed about the news of the world, they revel in what they condemn.

Can't say it's all untrue though what they wrote.  :unknown:

Offline hmscossack

The thing about the downfall of the Top Executive was Sorrell sacked his chauffeur after his driver refused to start work at 7am, having driven Sorrell’s wife, Cristiana, home at 2am the same morning.
I also can't believe someone would use a company credit card , rather than draw cash from an ATM - laziness cost him .
« Last Edit: June 16, 2018, 08:26:38 pm by hmscossack »

Offline bearcat69

Can't say it's all untrue though what they wrote.  :unknown:

No, not necessarily all untrue, but more than enough of it is bullshit, especially the way they portray the purpose of UKP. Last time I checked using reviews to manipulate prostitutes was very much against the rules here, and has there ever actually been a known and confirmed case of a prostitute killing herself as a result of what somebody has said on here? You see, this is what journalists do... They twist the truth.

Offline jakes

From a previous forum one of my reviews was quoted in The Guardian, I look forward to going upmarket to The Times.

Upmarket?

JV547845

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How did they find your contact details, or were you contacted on here?

Nik's a legend.  He's written a book.

Offline bhudda

Nik's a legend.  He's written a book.

Really? Im surprised hes never mentioned it  :D