Trafficking arrests London / Essex

[scutty brown]

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Five men and one woman have been arrested for modern slavery offences following a pre-planned operation by officers from the Met’s Specialist Crime Command.

The warrants were executed this morning, Tuesday, 9 February, in Harrow, Romford, Hayes, Forest Gate and Harlow in Essex. They were carried out with assistance from officers from the Territorial Support Group (TSG)

Those arrested are aged between 30 and 55 years old. They have been arrested for a variety of offences, including suspicion of holding a person in slavery, human trafficking, controlling prostitution and money laundering.

This is an ongoing investigation to target an eastern European Organised Crime Group (OCG) who are believed to be trafficking and exploiting people brought to the UK from Poland.

[LLPunting]

"from Poland"...  wonder if they're moving non-Poles via Poland or do we now have to suspect Polish SPs being under coercion?   

Can't wait til they start hitting the real slavers... Amazon, DPD, Uber, Boohoo, et al...   

[jamiekinkxxx]

Most likely girls from Unkraine being moved in via Polish border.

[lillythesavage]

Polish are just as likely to do this as any other nationality, where there are criminals and young uneducated women it can happen, Never understood why it is mainly assumed the Poles are not involved when it is clear every other EE country is.

[scutty brown]

Most likely girls from Unkraine being moved in via Polish border.

That's not true. There are a lot of ensnared Polish girls in the UK. Conned into coming as waitresses or cleaners then forced to whore

[HERTSBLUE]

That's not true. There are a lot of ensnared Polish girls in the UK. Conned into coming as waitresses or cleaners then forced to whore

Seen loads of poles never seen a happier bunch of wgs and 2 of my regulars one came as a cleaner one as a waitress now earning 2 grand a week tax free.

[bedhedred]

Seen loads of poles never seen a happier bunch of wgs

+1

HB

Again with this Polish being trafficked. Fucking nonsense in my experience.

Lovely_Amanda has just had the best part of 2 months off travelling. I will try to revisit her this week and maybe buy her that mirror from Argos.

[Longlife]

Link doesn't work for me

[bedhedred]

Here this link works

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[ilovekungfu]

I am disappointed to see some posters writing this off as "nonsense" just because they don't feel they've seen a trafficked WG. There are a good few hundred Polish WGs listed just on AW. Nobody has seen them all.

I certainly hope the majority of WGs are working of their own free-will but we can't be blind to the possibility that some may not be. It should be self-fucking-evident that the welcome arrests of anyone who is subsequently found guilty of trafficking girls from Poland does not mean we suspect every Polish WG to be under coercion but it is nevertheless important to ensure we use the available means to report anonymously any instances where we do believe this to be the case.

[winkywanky]

I am disappointed to see some posters writing this off as "nonsense" just because they don't feel they've seen a trafficked WG. There are a good few hundred Polish WGs listed just on AW. Nobody has seen them all.

I certainly hope the majority of WGs are working of their own free-will but we can't be blind to the possibility that some may not be. It should be self-fucking-evident that the welcome arrests of anyone who is subsequently found guilty of trafficking girls from Poland does not mean we suspect every Polish WG to be under coercion but it is nevertheless important to ensure we use the available means to report anonymously any instances where we do believe this to be the case.

This has been discussed here before (and Scutty is somewhat of an expert compared with most here, hope you don't mind me saying that  ), but I'm pretty sure the way the law is applied in the UK is that if you have facilitated a girl coming in to work as a WG, plus other stuff like providing accommodation and transport around the country (perhaps as far as 'looking after their passport' for them) then even if they are willing to work as WGs, those 'facilitators' are often considered to be trafficking the girls.

[ilovekungfu]

Sure, I wasn't really commenting on that aspect of it but rather the capacity for some punters here to put their heads in the sand and downplay the notion entirely.

[bedhedred]

I don't downplay the notion entirely. I have spoken to an SP I know well and she thinks there's lots of trafficking. Then separately, she admitted that she doesn't know any other SPs at all, so she doesn't know any more than I do.

Separately, I have spoken to an SP about the trafficking rumours she was subjected to by the OP. She found it annoying.

I think the trafficking thing is overplayed. It's a card in the "mumsnet nordic model now" agenda. And I think readers here should stay aware of that angle every time someone highlights a trafficking article.

If you are that worried. Stay at home and save your money by reading about other people's experiences instead. There is absolutely no risk in that whatsoever.

I'm sure that punting will be criminalised in Scotland soon and possibly here too. My approach is to get personal contacts with the girls so that they can be met in discrete circumstances not linked to any AW adverts.

[ilovekungfu]

A nuanced view should readily be achievable. Opponents of sex work in general will of course overly focus on trafficking in an attempt to achieve their aims. This doesn't mean that instances of trafficking aren't going on at scale. Both of these things can be true.

Our best defence against ill-thought out legislation that doesn't really help anyone is to help root out problematic actors in this industry if we encounter them.

[bedhedred]

I kind of agree. I used to think that trafficking sounded awful and it does still.

It's just the fact that it is also trotted out by abolitionists every turn around that has made me rather suspicious about why I'm being told about it. It begins to sound like propaganda.

I get a huge kick out of successful punting and it is a shame to think that it could easily be made unlawful. As it is right across Ireland now. I even read an article where a punter had been brought before a judge in Northern Ireland and the judge could not understand why given that the act was between consenting adults. The judge was criticised for not keeping up with the law.

[EL1M1N8OR]

Most likely girls from Unkraine being moved in via Polish border.

Beat me to it.

They are probably putting them to the UK to fetch more money.

[lillythesavage]

Beat me to it.

They are probably putting them to the UK to fetch more money.

If that was the case, why is Aw and Vivastreet not got lots of Ukranians?  An AW search shows 33 in the UK, 2 of which are available today, most of the others are old profiles.

[lillythesavage]

A nuanced view should readily be achievable. Opponents of sex work in general will of course overly focus on trafficking in an attempt to achieve their aims. This doesn't mean that instances of trafficking aren't going on at scale. Both of these things can be true.

Our best defence against ill-thought out legislation that doesn't really help anyone is to help root out problematic actors in this industry if we encounter them.

I Kind of agree too, but how would you know ? I tend to avoid brothels with 3,4,5 girls but that does not mean they are there against their will.

Very few can come to the UK from poorer countries and set themselves up, they need help from somewhere so how do you differentiate ?

[scutty brown]

Some Poles are free agents, but a heck of a lot of them aren't.
For instance here in the NW there's a known gang run by an ex-Manchester whore who controls around eight or nine houses in Preston used by Polish girls. She also has houses in Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol and London (among others) and rotates the girls around.
The girls are attracted by adverts in Poland, offering money for easy work. The reality is when they get here they are forced to work 24/7 in a debt bondage scheme. When girls try to leave they are subjected to violence both physical and mental. I know of one who was gang-raped and dumped at a railway station for punishment for wanting to leave (she was found, hysterical, by British Transport Police). Another, who is a member here but no longer posts, was threatened with murder of both her and her family back in Poland.
These aren't the only reports about this  gang, and there are numerous other groups in the country using similar tactics.

Its worth remembering that two years ago the biggest modern slavery gang in Britain - and possibly Europe was busted here. Believed to be at least 400 victims, controlled by a Polish organised crime family. In that case the victims were all male, but the sex slaves get the same treatment

[Londonpunter30]

Good work by the police and all the organisations involved.  Let’s hope we see more of this.

Remember if you think s girl is trafficked report it to police or crime stoppers.  Let’s the professionals deal with it

[SamOmar]

I Kind of agree too, but how would you know ? I tend to avoid brothels with 3,4,5 girls but that does not mean they are there against their will.

Very few can come to the UK from poorer countries and set themselves up, they need help from somewhere so how do you differentiate ?

Exactly Approx 90 percent of Working Girls here in London (in my observation and experience) are naturally a victim of trafficking or controlled prostitution. The police will randomly pick a case here and there to investigate and aim to get it in the media to further taboo the notion of sex work and its punters.

[Jonestown]

Exactly Approx 90 percent of Working Girls here in London ............... are naturally a victim of trafficking or controlled prostitution.

utter bollocks, complete and utter bollocks

[petermisc]

I Kind of agree too, but how would you know ? I tend to avoid brothels with 3,4,5 girls but that does not mean they are there against their will.
Very few can come to the UK from poorer countries and set themselves up, they need help from somewhere so how do you differentiate ?

You have hit the nail on the head there, it is almost impossible to tell for sure.  My rule of thumb is that the less control a girl has over what she is doing, the more likely it is that she is trafficked.  And as you say, how likely is it that she got to the UK without assistance.  But you can never know for sure.

I was quite shocked when a Chinese massage place in Wembley that I think I had visited a couple of times got done for trafficking a number of years back.  It was one of these classic rotation joints with the girls being moved around the country, and the madam making the bookings for the girl.  On the other hand, I got to know a Polish bird quite well while she was working for a London agency, she then went to a group that moved the girls around the country from city to city.  They were very controlling, if she wanted to work for them then she had to work when and where they wanted, but she was not trafficked, she was free to leave when she wanted.  However, had I not known her, I would likely have suspected trafficking.  How do you tell?

[bedhedred]

I say it is definitely maybe 700% of the 122 polish wg working in London are trafficked. It's a heck of a lot anyway.

[petermisc]

Exactly Approx 90 percent of Working Girls here in London (in my observation and experience) are naturally a victim of trafficking or controlled prostitution. The police will randomly pick a case here and there to investigate and aim to get it in the media to further taboo the notion of sex work and its punters.

What do you mean by "controlled prostitution"?  There is absolutely no way that 90% of girls are trafficked or are being forced into prostitution.  If you are including girls who are working for an agency of some kind, of their own free will, in that 90% then you might just be right.

[bedhedred]

I can count on the fingers of one hand the numbers of wg from any nationality who are fully independent and who insist on working alone. There will be a receptionist or other girls in the house 95% of the time. Do punters think that makes it trafficking?

[lillythesavage]

Exactly Approx 90 percent of Working Girls here in London (in my observation and experience) are naturally a victim of trafficking or controlled prostitution. The police will randomly pick a case here and there to investigate and aim to get it in the media to further taboo the notion of sex work and its punters.

Controlled prostitution as in working for an agency, a managed brothel, walk up or a sergei we see mentioned so often ? That does not imply trafficking or coercion though, surely that is moved here and blackmailed or forced into prostitution against their will or better judgement? 
Completely different and my question was how can you know what the actual situation is ?

[bedhedred]

Unless you see girls handcuffed to a radiator, how would you know? This discussion is part of an ongoing scaremongering campaign in ukp.

In fact I've just searched up video of Elizabeth Romanova a Polish wg chained to a radiator, so that's not really a reliable guideline either.

If in doubt, stay home and don't think about punting; Post some utter bollocks on ukpunting.com instead.

[lillythesavage]

Unless you see girls handcuffed to a radiator, how would you know? This discussion is part of an ongoing scaremongering campaign in ukp.

In fact I've just searched up video of Elizabeth Romanova a Polish wg chained to a radiator, so that's not really a reliable guideline either.

If in doubt, stay home and don't think about punting; Post some utter bollocks on ukpunting.com instead.

Only you could find a pic to disprove your own views  , Said it earlier life has to go on, we all have our own way of dealing with this virus shite and as adults asses our own risks, same goes for punting I suppose, if nothing alarms you what else can you do except pay, fuck and go.

No one seems to be able to answer my question about how you would know unless it was very obvious.

[bedhedred]

Only you could find a pic to disprove your own views  , Said it earlier life has to go on, we all have our own way of dealing with this virus shite and as adults asses our own risks, same goes for punting I suppose, if nothing alarms you what else can you do except pay, fuck and go.

No one seems to be able to answer my question about how you would know unless it was very obvious.

I don't think you could know. Many punters think that everything a wg says is a lie anyway. Personally, I believe some of them and I especially believe them when they show me their smartphone and I can see my messages on it. Then I know that I'm texting with the girl and not a sergei.

I did that with Lovely_Amanda. I sat on the bed with her and she WhatsApped me and I saw the message leave her phone and land on mine. That was convincing evidence that she manages her own comms, contrary to the utter bollocks and lies which other people were happy to peddle.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=294459.0

[smiths]

I can count on the fingers of one hand the numbers of wg from any nationality who are fully independent and who insist on working alone. There will be a receptionist or other girls in the house 95% of the time. Do punters think that makes it trafficking?

IMO its most certainly doesn't make it trafficking, though some may well of been trafficked here willingly in the fact a pimp paid their fare.

I agree its a small number of foreign WGs and more Brit Indies who are actually really Indies. BUT taking EE WGs as an example its obvious to ME that most couldn't possibly afford to rent and premises and provide the necessary references themselves. So they choose to work for a pimp. Its an extremely widespread scenario and always has been for decades.

I go on convictions myself not just arrests and charges, or in the case of the OP as regards Anna and Amanda having to take his word for it. I go on what I think not him or others from my own experiences and punters I know and trust. I don't know the OP so wouldn't just take his word for anything, same as anyone else on here.

I did laugh when WinkyWanky called the OP an expert on this, yeah right, a twice banned poster who cant even follow basic UKP rules which aren't hard to follow is the expert. In fact he posts about it a lot, but that doesn't make him an expert of course.

No problem posting real cases and IF convicted I hope pimps get seriously done, traffickers who force women should get a mandatory life sentence in my view.

[Paris69]

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[ilovekungfu]

I Kind of agree too, but how would you know ? I tend to avoid brothels with 3,4,5 girls but that does not mean they are there against their will.

Very few can come to the UK from poorer countries and set themselves up, they need help from somewhere so how do you differentiate ?

Of course nobody can know for sure, thats why it is important to tip off the relevant authorities (anonymously, most likely) who can investigate properly IF we have a reasonable concern that a WG may be trafficked and not working of her own free will.

I would certainly hope that these instances are not the norm. Whilst I obviously have no idea of the true extent of it, 90% of anything feels like an exaggeration. What I think is bad form for this forum are responses along the lines of "All the polish WGs I've met are happy as! I don't believe there is any trafficking at all. It's all nonsense from Mumsnet".

Clearly when there are External Link/Members Only - this line of thinking cannot be true.

[Paris69]

I don't downplay the notion entirely. I have spoken to an SP I know well and she thinks there's lots of trafficking. Then separately, she admitted that she doesn't know any other SPs at all, so she doesn't know any more than I do.

Separately, I have spoken to an SP about the trafficking rumours she was subjected to by the OP. She found it annoying.

I think the trafficking thing is overplayed. It's a card in the "mumsnet nordic model now" agenda. And I think readers here should stay aware of that angle every time someone highlights a trafficking article.

If you are that worried. Stay at home and save your money by reading about other people's experiences instead. There is absolutely no risk in that whatsoever.

I'm sure that punting will be criminalised in Scotland soon and possibly here too. My approach is to get personal contacts with the girls so that they can be met in discrete circumstances not linked to any AW adverts.

You're gonna disagree with me, and say go on then post your evidence; which obviously i can't.
But trafficking isn't overplayed. It is a huge business here and around Europe.... Huge.

Ofc there are 1000's of WG's who aren't co-erced or forced; but that doesn't mean that there aren't 1000's more who are.
You honestly think a 20 year old Rom can come to London and on her own rent an apartment for £2,400pm? Or that gorgeous Ukrainian wants to sell her arse for £100 a pop? etc etc etc....

The money is mind-blowing. Fact.
One trafficked girl can easily pull in the trafficker/pimp/gangster whatever you wanna call them, £10k per month.
And in a lot of instances, the girl when the Police rescue takes place sits at interview and genuinely see's the abuser as her b/f or saviour.
Many reasons why; some are emotionally attached to the abuser/but there is also the fact many of these guys have criminal ties back home and the girl's family is easily harmed/threatened.

I could go on... and am happy to answer / give details (without case specificity) by PM; but not in the open forum for obvious reasons.

[SamOmar]

utter bollocks, complete and utter bollocks

Approx 90 percent of working girls are involved in some form of controlled prostitution or trafficking. Perhaps look up the definition of controlled prostitution and then come back to me with your own assessment. Ignorance is bliss if your punting but it doesn't mean girls are controlled in some sort of way.

[SamOmar]

What do you mean by "controlled prostitution"?  There is absolutely no way that 90% of girls are trafficked or are being forced into prostitution.  If you are including girls who are working for an agency of some kind, of their own free will, in that 90% then you might just be right.

Exactly sending them a booking or request is controlling their prostitution. Helping them in any way of meeting a client is controlling their prostitution even if you do not make money from it. Trafficking is the transfer of a person from A to B for the purposes of their sex work. This can be booking a cab for them to arrive at an outcall. Trafficking within UK and outside are both trafficking.
 

[Stevelondon]

Exactly sending them a booking or request is controlling their prostitution. Helping them in any way of meeting a client is controlling their prostitution even if you do not make money from it. Trafficking is the transfer of a person from A to B for the purposes of their sex work. This can be booking a cab for them to arrive at an outcall. Trafficking within UK and outside are both trafficking.

I do get what your saying but I do not think that is what the majority on here are talking about.

[SamOmar]

I do get what your saying but I do not think that is what the majority on here are talking about.

I understand but the thread was on arrests made without much detail and therefore arrests could be made even on small allegations that are on the wrong side of the law. I'm stating what I have observe and know to be true both in terms of the law and the reality. The worst type of person is one who partakes in something without understanding the ins and outs and just jumping to conclusions that people who post are talking bollocks

[Paris69]

Exactly sending them a booking or request is controlling their prostitution. Helping them in any way of meeting a client is controlling their prostitution even if you do not make money from it. Trafficking is the transfer of a person from A to B for the purposes of their sex work. This can be booking a cab for them to arrive at an outcall. Trafficking within UK and outside are both trafficking.

This type of statement is how you would try to highlight to a judge that trafficking has taken place....  With force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labour or commercial sex act.

Good luck with trying to convince a judge that booking a taxi is force or coercion; as the minute the taxi pulls away the girl has freedom of choice.... etc etc etc

[pepsicolaboy]

Seen loads of poles never seen a happier bunch of wgs and 2 of my regulars one came as a cleaner one as a waitress now earning 2 grand a week tax free.

+1

[LLPunting]

Approx 90 percent of working girls are involved in some form of controlled prostitution or trafficking. Perhaps look up the definition of controlled prostitution and then come back to me with your own assessment. Ignorance is bliss if your punting but it doesn't mean girls are controlled in some sort of way.

Similar logic is used to accuse every human of being a carbon polluter because we exhale.

The discussion is specifically about the contemptibility of trafficking people into forced sex work.  If you want to flog yourself about the internal conflict of supporting/condoning all the other illegal aspects around prostitution, because you do not see lone workers you are convinced are working only for their own welfare, then best you just stop typing and just slap yourself to your senses.

[LLPunting]

Exactly sending them a booking or request is controlling their prostitution. Helping them in any way of meeting a client is controlling their prostitution even if you do not make money from it. Trafficking is the transfer of a person from A to B for the purposes of their sex work. This can be booking a cab for them to arrive at an outcall. Trafficking within UK and outside are both trafficking.

Sending the request to their management is only controlling if management force them into the meeting with you.
If an SP employs a call-taker then that is not control by the call-taker.
Your "definition" of trafficking is not correct, it is a specific, prejudiced interpretation to dishonestly/deceitfully bolster your claims.
The cab booking of itself is NOT a control, ONLY the coercion to get in the taxi, remain in the taxi and then forcing of them to dismount the taxi and meet and complete the booking with the punter.

[SamOmar]

Sending the request to their management is only controlling if management force them into the meeting with you.
If an SP employs a call-taker then that is not control by the call-taker.
Your "definition" of trafficking is not correct, it is a specific, prejudiced interpretation to dishonestly/deceitfully bolster your claims.
The cab booking of itself is NOT a control, ONLY the coercion to get in the taxi, remain in the taxi and then forcing of them to dismount the taxi and meet and complete the booking with the punter.

Controlling Prostitution for Gain: Section 53 Sexual Offences Act 2003
Under Section 53(1), a person commits an offence if:

He intentionally controls any of the activities of another person relating to that person’s prostitution in any part of the world, and
He does so for or in the expectation of gain for himself or a third party.
Section 56 and Schedule 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 extend the gender specific prostitution offences to apply to both males and females equally.

‘Gain’ is defined in Section 54(1) as:

Any financial advantage, including the discharge of an obligation to pay or the provision of goods or services (including sexual services) gratuitously or at a discount; or
The goodwill of any person which is or appears likely, in time, to bring financial advantage.

‘Control’ includes, but is not limited to, ‘compulsion’, ‘coercion’ and ‘force’. It is enough that the person acted under the instructions or directions of the Defendant. There is a wide variety of possible reasons why the person may do as instructed. It may be, for example, because of emotional blackmail or the lure of gain. There is no requirement for the person to have acted without free will

There is no mention of force and control has a variety of possible reasons. There is nothing to argue on that point.

In terms of trafficking the law was updated to the modern slavery act in 2015 and I was going on the previous law which was more specific to sexual exploitation but never the less can be interpreted how I initially said.

[SamOmar]

Similar logic is used to accuse every human of being a carbon polluter because we exhale.

The discussion is specifically about the contemptibility of trafficking people into forced sex work.  If you want to flog yourself about the internal conflict of supporting/condoning all the other illegal aspects around prostitution, because you do not see lone workers you are convinced are working only for their own welfare, then best you just stop typing and just slap yourself to your senses.

You have missed the point completely I accept the ins and outs to all aspects of prostitution and make my own decisions.

[bedhedred]

You're gonna disagree with me, and say go on then post your evidence; which obviously i can't.
But trafficking isn't overplayed. It is a huge business here and around Europe.... Huge.

Ofc there are 1000's of WG's who aren't co-erced or forced; but that doesn't mean that there aren't 1000's more who are.
You honestly think a 20 year old Rom can come to London and on her own rent an apartment for £2,400pm? Or that gorgeous Ukrainian wants to sell her arse for £100 a pop? etc etc etc....

The money is mind-blowing. Fact.
One trafficked girl can easily pull in the trafficker/pimp/gangster whatever you wanna call them, £10k per month.
And in a lot of instances, the girl when the Police rescue takes place sits at interview and genuinely see's the abuser as her b/f or saviour.
Many reasons why; some are emotionally attached to the abuser/but there is also the fact many of these guys have criminal ties back home and the girl's family is easily harmed/threatened.

I could go on... and am happy to answer / give details (without case specificity) by PM; but not in the open forum for obvious reasons.

I looked back through your reviews and surprisingly, I found
   SexY_MeLLisa_
Whom I had a great fun punt with, and
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   Gorgeous Vicky
Whom I tried to book, but failed to meet.
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So these are typical well regarded Polish SPs whom I'd look to go with and they are often but not always as good as the review history when you meet them. I assume that you would think that neither of them was trafficked or coerced, but instead wanted to meet you. I definitely felt that with Mellisa.

I felt the same in spades when I had the pleasure of meeting Lovely_Amanda. I remember I was buzzing and dazed for 30 minutes after the event
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And yet when I got on UKP a little later, there was an utter bollocks thread about her and her crew mate being coerced. At that point, I began to think there's an awful lot of bollocks posted on this forum. If I listened and took it seriously, I'd have stayed away out of fear and then missed out on one of my top 3 connections of 2020.

Obviously, I can't be everywhere and like anyone, I have limitations of time and place and money to follow up on leads, but I think I get around more than many readers here do.
I am just not seeing this trafficking thing which is supposedly everywhere and supposedly affects the majority (heck of a lot of) Polish SPs.

[bedhedred]

Exactly sending them a booking or request is controlling their prostitution. Helping them in any way of meeting a client is controlling their prostitution even if you do not make money from it. Trafficking is the transfer of a person from A to B for the purposes of their sex work. This can be booking a cab for them to arrive at an outcall. Trafficking within UK and outside are both trafficking.

Sam,

You and I are both admitting to visiting Lovely Amyra in the past week or so. Did you have any sense that she was unwilling in her participation? She said to me that this is a tour and she is heading back to see her child in her homeland in a week or two.

Now someone could start imagining that there is an OCG controlling all of this; coercing women to visit London and do dirty things here whilst family members in home countries are being threatened. Etc etc etc.

Did those possibilities cross your mind or bother you on visit to her?

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[SamOmar]

Sam,

You and I are both admitting to visiting Lovely Amyra in the past week or so. Did you have any sense that she was unwilling in her participation? She said to me that this is a tour and she is heading back to see her child in her homeland in a week or two.

Now someone could start imagining that there is an OCG controlling all of this; coercing women to visit London and do dirty things here whilst family members in home countries are being threatened. Etc etc etc.

Did those possibilities cross your mind or bother you on visit to her?

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Visting Amrya did not bother me she seems quite independent and showed no signs of control, however the point i was making is the law is so broad when it comes to defining what controlling prostitution or trafficking is.

[bedhedred]

Visting Amrya did not bother me she seems quite independent and showed no signs of control, however the point i was making is the law is so broad when it comes to defining what controlling prostitution or trafficking is.

I agree with you.

Years ago, I saw a post here which said more or less that the drafting of the trafficking law was made deliberately vague so as to frighten the shit out of would be punters that they might have somehow contravened an aspect of it. The end goal being to smother the demand by frightening the client. Now that hasn't worked, the next step is nordic model.

[LLPunting]

You have missed the point completely I accept the ins and outs to all aspects of prostitution and make my own decisions.

Nope, again YOU have missed the point that OP was about trafficking AND the implied coercion NOT the general illegality of all the aspects surrounding the act of prostitution which is legal.

[king tarzan]

Exactly Approx 90 percent of Working Girls here in London (in my observation and experience) are naturally a victim of trafficking or controlled prostitution. The police will randomly pick a case here and there to investigate and aim to get it in the media to further taboo the notion of sex work and its punters.

nonsense... no way 90% in London