Never trust a prostitute

[Matium]

Pity poor Lord Sewell.

If anything it shows that a prostitute must never be trusted.

Perhaps he thought that by sniffing coke off their boobs, he had made some sort of intimate connection with them and that they could be trusted.

One of the girls filmed him and then sold the photos to the Sun.

That den of harridans, harlots, hecates, hags and harpies, otherwise known as Saafe advises the Sisterhood to create a false personality.

Punters should follow the same advice.

Just stand in front of the mirror and come up with a reasonable and plausible life story, (something believable like being a lorry driver but definitely not a Mossad agent ).

Perfect your pitch until you can start to believe it yourself. Then when you're in between bouts, you can tell her your fake life story just as she tells you hers.

Trusting a prostitute has caused him to lose his reputation and career and he will lose his house when his wife divorces him, and all because he started to believe that intimacy with a prostitute could be real.

Sheer folly.

[Quesadilla]

It shows that people who have a lot to lose by being found out should be much smarter. Especially public figures who know they would make a great trophy for the tabloids   

Clearly this was not his first rodeo and likely he's been doing this for years with varous hookers all of whom were in fact trustworthy.

But if you're going to be a total dick about it be sure it will catch up with you eventually.

Personally I'd trust an escort over a politician any day of the week.

[Marmite]

Legislators are not above the Law even though some appear to act as if they are.

Sewell lacked judgement in this matter, the House of Lords will be better off without him.

[LL]

Trusting a prostitute has caused him to lose his reputation and career and he will lose his house when his wife divorces him, and all because he started to believe that intimacy with a prostitute could be real.

He only has himself to blame for that not his prostitutes. Someone in his position knows full well that being caught out would be the end of his career. He's acted recklessly in punting close to home, doing class A drugs with them, etc, etc.

And what sort of mysogynistic bullshit are you spouting anyway - never trust a prostitute. As if them being a prostitute makes them much more prone, by default, to want to humiliate somebody for a quick buck. Lots of greedy, selfish people would do exactly the same thing (pass on photographs of somebody famous to the press in return for a lot of money).

Never trust a prostitute? I put my trust in them every time I visit them. I trust that they'll put the condom on safely and take other measures to protect something much more important than my reputation or career - my health.

[Colston36]

I totally agree. I imagine most are neither better nor worse than the rest of us.

I lived with a retired WG for nearly three years. My only complaint was that she was insanely jealous. Funny - or what?

[kenw1]

Personally I'd trust an escort over a politician any day of the week.

I agree 500%

[vw]

It shows that people who have a lot to lose by being found out should be much smarter. Especially public figures who know they would make a great trophy for the tabloids   

Clearly this was not his first rodeo and likely he's been doing this for years with varous hookers all of whom were in fact trustworthy.

But if you're going to be a total dick about it be sure it will catch up with you eventually.

Personally I'd trust an escort over a politician any day of the week.

Agree completely !

[tesla]

He only has himself to blame for that not his prostitutes. Someone in his position knows full well that being caught out would be the end of his career. He's acted recklessly in punting close to home, doing class A drugs with them, etc, etc.

And what sort of mysogynistic bullshit are you spouting anyway - never trust a prostitute. As if them being a prostitute makes them much more prone, by default, to want to humiliate somebody for a quick buck. Lots of greedy, selfish people would do exactly the same thing (pass on photographs of somebody famous to the press in return for a lot of money).

Never trust a prostitute? I put my trust in them every time I visit them. I trust that they'll put the condom on safely and take other measures to protect something much more important than my reputation or career - my health.

excellent post

[S.X. MacHine]

Matium's assertion that 'a prostitute must never be trusted' is a generalisation and, like all generalisations, does not necessarily stand up to scrutiny.
'Prostitution' is, in my view, not what a person is, but what she does. A woman offering paid sexual services is technically 'a prostitute', but she may be many other things; someone's mother, or child or sister. She may be a student, beautician, nurse or carer. Therefore, it is a generalisation to say that such a person should not be trusted. I have known so called prossies who were, in my view, individuals of the highest integrity.
However, you would need to get to know prossies as individuals before being able to make an informed judgement. Until such a time it is, of course, wise not to divulge too many details of one's identity. And that, is where the hypocritical, thieving former Noble Lord Sewell came a cropper.

[carefree]

Never trust a prostitute??

No shit

[anchorage]

Not sure about all of this.

Although I've not read any of the articles and just seen the headlines, I presume Sewel did what he did in his own time and using his own money. So, yes, he may have been foolish but, so what? (And, don't some of the current Cabinet boast about taking drugs in their 'youth'?)

But, what is truly nauseating is the fact that, had he been abusing children on an industrial scale, like some of his colleagues, he would now be enjoying the full protection of the State and none of this would have come to light.

[vw]

Not sure about all of this.

Although I've not read any of the articles and just seen the headlines, I presume Sewel did what he did in his own time and using his own money. So, yes, he may have been foolish but, so what? (And, don't some of the current Cabinet boast about taking drugs in their 'youth'?)

But, what is truly nauseating is the fact that, had he been abusing children on an industrial scale, like some of his colleagues, he would now be enjoying the full protection of the State and none of this would have come to light.

Probably a nice distraction from the YewTree cover up !

[soutpiel]

Am I the only one here wondering who these girls are to make sure that I and everyone else can avoid them??

[vw]

Am I the only one here wondering who these girls are to make sure that I and everyone else can avoid them??

Getting Impatient for Lord Sewell's reviews so we can find out !

[Quesadilla]

Not sure about all of this.

Although I've not read any of the articles and just seen the headlines, I presume Sewel did what he did in his own time and using his own money. So, yes, he may have been foolish but, so what? (And, don't some of the current Cabinet boast about taking drugs in their 'youth'?)

But, what is truly nauseating is the fact that, had he been abusing children on an industrial scale, like some of his colleagues, he would now be enjoying the full protection of the State and none of this would have come to light.

Well he was boasting of using the money he got for expenses when travelling to London to pay for the hookers and coke so technically it was taxpayers money, and given that his role as chairman of committes in the Lords is overseeing guidelines for acceptable behaviour I think it's fair that he be held to a somewhat higher standard than most. 

He also boasted of not attending an official function and then reading up on it in the newspaper later, ie not actually doing the job he is being paid for, and something that in recent official papers he External Link/Members Only.

Personally I feel for the hookers - they are now losing out on a steady source of income! 

[Type_O_Negative]

He shouldn't be a Lord anymore.

[smiths]

He shouldn't be a Lord anymore.

Well he has resigned from the house of Lords today.

[RedKettle]

To say "never trust a prostitute" is really the wrong starting point - as others have said it is a generalisation and there will always be exceptions.

The correct logical position is to be extremely wary (indeed better not to) of trusting anyone with compromising information about you.  For many of us what we do with prostitutes is compromising and therefore you should not trust them, hence the punting phones and all that.  Therefore it is not the fact that they are prostitutes that drives the mistrust but what they know about what we do.

Clearly as the risk increases, for example for a public figure who chairs a "standards and conduct" committee, then the level of security, or mistrust, should increase - perhaps to the level of not using them.

[charger70]

Clearly as the risk increases, for example for a public figure who chairs a "standards and conduct" committee, then the level of security, or mistrust, should increase - perhaps to the level of not using them.

Agree, 100%

 Whilst we all have something to lose, for sure these girls would be doing this day in day out with Joe Soap, and I am sure that they haven't spilt the beans on him, as no one is interested, blab that you are a big shot, and chair a standards and ethics committee, and surprise, surprise, someone is interested in tripping you up!  He wanted the trappings of being  Big-Wig, and with that, comes responsibilities, he was to dumb, or arrogant to appreciate that fact, and so was caught with his trousers down.

Lessons to be learned for all of us for sure, but I would and do  still trust WG'd more that most politicians!

[Mr Garmin]

Matium - this is my cover story I practice in the mirror every day.

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[nodrah]

 That den of harridans, harlots, hecates, hags and harpies ' ....... if people who frequent them have such a low opinion of working girls then I would have thought that the proverbial ' five fingered widow ' would be a more suitable alternative  .......... or am I just fluffy ?

[dezzatheblue2]

Why Matium?
Because of the line of work they do,
So never trust a plumber, doctor? Ok there are some lowlife but this whole thing sounds set up by the sun to me,
And don't think for a second that it is not common practice in the House of Lords, I bet there are loads of them up to the same thing, possibly even some on ukp,
He just got caught out or trapped....

[Daffodil]

Amazing punters still need to be told this.

The replies on this thread alone make my heart sink.

Trusting a prossie is a mugs game 

[willbred]

He only has himself to blame for that not his prostitutes. Someone in his position knows full well that being caught out would be the end of his career. He's acted recklessly in punting close to home, doing class A drugs with them, etc, etc.

And what sort of mysogynistic bullshit are you spouting anyway - never trust a prostitute. As if them being a prostitute makes them much more prone, by default, to want to humiliate somebody for a quick buck. Lots of greedy, selfish people would do exactly the same thing (pass on photographs of somebody famous to the press in return for a lot of money).

Never trust a prostitute? I put my trust in them every time I visit them. I trust that they'll put the condom on safely and take other measures to protect something much more important than my reputation or career - my health.

Well said, that man

[willbred]

Pity poor Lord Sewell.

If anything it shows that a prostitute must never be trusted.

Perhaps he thought that by sniffing coke off their boobs, he had made some sort of intimate connection with them and that they could be trusted.

One of the girls filmed him and then sold the photos to the Sun.

That den of harridans, harlots, hecates, hags and harpies, otherwise known as Saafe advises the Sisterhood to create a false personality.

Punters should follow the same advice.

Just stand in front of the mirror and come up with a reasonable and plausible life story, (something believable like being a lorry driver but definitely not a Mossad agent ).

Perfect your pitch until you can start to believe it yourself. Then when you're in between bouts, you can tell her your fake life story just as she tells you hers.

Trusting a prostitute has caused him to lose his reputation and career and he will lose his house when his wife divorces him, and all because he started to believe that intimacy with a prostitute could be real.

Sheer folly.

I believe most punters are careful about what they divulge. But then most of us are not Lords of the realm with enough wonga to snort half of Bolivia through banknotes off hookers titswhilst boasting arrogantly how rich and powerful we are.

[jsparky]

Personally I feel for the hookers - they are now losing out on a steady source of income! 

WTF? Typically short termism opportunistic whore who exposed the client got your sympathy? If she was set up for life with whatever payments she got from the Sun, fine, she can retired and do what ever she want. If not, she should be exposed and blacklisted so other punters be warned of these scumbag.

By the way, I have no sympathy for lying politician and prostitute alike. They both fuck 'peoples' for money.

[dezzatheblue2]

Amazing punters still need to be told this.

The replies on this thread alone make my heart sink.

Trusting a prossie is a mugs game 

So all wgs can't be trusted? How many punters do you know that have been dropped in the shit by a wg? 
Just because they are wgs you can't trust them?

What a load of bollox, it's nothing to do with the job, it's the person.

[Malvolio]

Depends what you mean by trust - the women I see are all strangers, so I keep my guard up - for example my jacket will come with me to the bathroom when I have a shower.

[tazz]

I think the point the poster is making, is that you may be secretly be recorded when you visit a prossie or she may bring a recording device for an outcall. Some have tried to blackmail married men, so dont brag about women you've had affairs with or slag off various people.

[CatBBW]

Not sure about all of this.

Although I've not read any of the articles and just seen the headlines, I presume Sewel did what he did in his own time and using his own money. So, yes, he may have been foolish but, so what? (And, don't some of the current Cabinet boast about taking drugs in their 'youth'?)

But, what is truly nauseating is the fact that, had he been abusing children on an industrial scale, like some of his colleagues, he would now be enjoying the full protection of the State and none of this would have come to light.

HEAR HEAR!! It's an excellent distraction from the real scandal, and couldn't have come at a better time for the establishment.

I get the feeling this was some kind of government+media collaberation, including the 'pro' who was in on it. Otherwise, if she *IS* a bona fide escort, once she's been paid her few grand, what else does she get from this?

More to this than meets the eye.

[Daffodil]

So all wgs can't be trusted? How many punters do you know that have been dropped in the shit by a wg? 
Just because they are wgs you can't trust them?

What a load of bollox, it's nothing to do with the job, it's the person.

Exactly, and only a certain type of person becomes a prostitute 

[KenniLingus]

Are we punters any more trust worthy than the hookers we sleep with? I think not.

[Marmite]

Exactly, and only a certain type of person becomes a prostitute 

I can only speak for myself but I have found it unwise to judge a persons integrity purely by their occupation/profession, people are far too complicated for that approach.

[webpunter]

Are we punters any more trust worthy than the hookers we sleep with? I think not.

Judging by some of the bollocks reviews on AW then i think not too

[LL]

I can only speak for myself but I have found it unwise to judge a persons integrity purely by their occupation/profession, people are far too complicated for that approach.

Well put.  Unfortunately, trying to convince either this guy or the OP that prostitutes are human beings just like the rest of us is a lost cause.

[Roth]

Well put.  Unfortunately, trying to convince either this guy or the OP that prostitutes are human beings just like the rest of us is a lost cause.

Prossies are just like bankers and estate agents.  All cunts but you often need their services even if you can't trust them!    You just need to know how far to go with them. 

[dezzatheblue2]

Exactly, and only a certain type of person becomes a prostitute 

Very shallow of you I must say,
I assume no punter can be trusted then as only a certain type of person becomes a punter?

These girls are normal people with normal lives, as I said before yes there are a few lowlife but there is in any line of work,
You can't tar them all with the same brush,
You can't judge a book by the cover as they say

[Original]

Well isn't someone going to reveal who the girls were as surely they are a menace to any man looking to punt with them.  In future I shall be strip searching all girls to check for hidden cams.... 

[Quesadilla]

Well put.  Unfortunately, trying to convince either this guy or the OP that prostitutes are human beings just like the rest of us is a lost cause.

Exactly. As has been said before there are fluffy cunts at one end of the spectrum, at the other end just c***s. 

[Roth]

Well isn't someone going to reveal who the girls were as surely they are a menace to any man looking to punt with them.  In future I shall be strip searching all girls to check for hidden cams.... 

+1 

[Roth]

Doesn't matter who the punter is - rich/famous/poor/ordinary.  No one deserves to be outed and only low-life cunts would out him.  These prossies are a menace to all. 

[Daffodil]

Very shallow of you I must say,
I assume no punter can be trusted then as only a certain type of person becomes a punter?

These girls are normal people with normal lives, as I said before yes there are a few lowlife but there is in any line of work,
You can't tar them all with the same brush,
You can't judge a book by the cover as they say

You're like a box of cliches.

Who are these "they" who say "you can't judge a book by the cover"? Or could it just be a tired saying, that has passed down through the years, that some people agree with and some people don't? It doesn't bolster your argument.

Do "many hands make light work" or are "too many cooks spoiling the broth"?

I believe you can "judge books by covers". I am willing to change my opinion as I gather more information about a book/person, but in my experience that initial judgement usually holds true.

To take this cliche further, when are you able to judge the book? After reading the blurb? The first chapter? The whole thing and read critic's reviews? And then, how do you apply that to a person? How do you "read the whole person"?

With regards trusting prostitutes, I will make two points:

1) as a collective they have shown time and again that they are not to be trusted. From relatively minor misdemeanours (bait and switch, incorrect age, incorrect dress size) through to blackmail, outing, thievery, and even physical violence. For reference see: External Link/Members Only

2) you don't need to fucking trust a prossie 

So, never trust a prostitute 

[tantric talents]

Personally I feel for the hookers - they are now losing out on a steady source of income! 

Well I don't feel sorry for them as I suspect they may have given a few other Sergeis and WG's ideas

[pianodave]

The prossies are scum, but they are prossies. What do you expect? They lie for money, this is why you never trust them.

There is little sympathy for the Lord because he is clearly very arrogant. He hasn't really done anything wrong, but his arrogance has been his downfall. No one could blackmail me as no one would care less what I get up to, but if I was a politician, lord, business leader, footballer etc I'd be very damn cautious. A famous lord paying a prossie by cheque and boasting about his expenses kind of deserves what he gets.

It just shows how "blue pill" punters can be. You see it on this forum: "she came several times," "she is a really nice person," "she is a student who does the job for fun and the money is a bonus," "she is going back to latvia for a few weeks holiday," men who have just come often seem to believe any old bollocks these hard faced women tell them.

Never trust them an inch, I'm sure some are very nice, but they are prossies, and they will all take whatever they can from you given the chance.

[vw]

2) you don't need to fucking trust a prossie 

So, never trust a prostitute 

I need to trust they won't bite my cock off.

[Quesadilla]

The prossies are scum, but they are prossies. What do you expect? They lie for money, this is why you never trust them.

And what do you call a guy who lies to his wife, cheats on her and puts his kids future at risk of a very messy and expensive divorce as well as losing the main source of income for them all? 

There is little sympathy for the Lord because he is clearly very arrogant. He hasn't really done anything wrong, but his arrogance has been his downfall. No one could blackmail me as no one would care less what I get up to, but if I was a politician, lord, business leader, footballer etc I'd be very damn cautious. A famous lord paying a prossie by cheque and boasting about his expenses kind of deserves what he gets.

Make your mind up - either he hasn't really done anything wrong, or he deserves everything he gets. Which is it?

It just shows how "blue pill" punters can be. You see it on this forum: "she came several times," "she is a really nice person," "she is a student who does the job for fun and the money is a bonus," "she is going back to latvia for a few weeks holiday," men who have just come often seem to believe any old bollocks these hard faced women tell them.

Never trust them an inch, I'm sure some are very nice, but they are prossies, and they will all take whatever they can from you given the chance.

You are again talking bollocks - how can some be "very nice" but also all be "scum" and completely untrustworthy?  They are people.  As in punting, and in any walk of life, there are scumbags and there are nice people. Frankly in most areas of life it's a bell curve - there are a small minority who are total scumbags and equally a very small number who might be called completely nice - the vast majority will sit somewhere in the middle.  Stigmatising a whole group based on their career choice is just nonsense. 

Personally I've met quite a few escorts socially, in some cases met their families, and they have been no better nor worse than anyone else I've come across. Many have been very forthcoming with their own personal time, spending sometimes evenings and weekends of free social time with me for the price of a few hours of punting. Hardly sounds like your description of "hard faced women" who "take whatever they can" to me.

Having such utter contempt for them when you are a punter paying to fuck them says more about you than them I think. 

[Cuntminion]

You know trust just needs to be appropriately proportioned to live a happy life

If your a heart on your sleeve person you are going to loose every time

I have a sliding scale depending on who someone is to me without going through them all ironically I can place a high level in trust in a wg because it's not a friendship, family, colleague or relationship scenario

Sounds odd I know but because my expectations are minimal and it really is a closed scenario seeing a wg for me there's no overlap into my personal life so trust can be higher

It's the fuckers that are more involved in my life friends family etc I trust less as they have more of a stake in my life


Fucked up logic I know


And no one is getting a cheque

[Noah Hope]

The prossies are scum, but they are prossies. What do you expect? They lie for money, this is why you never trust them.

There is little sympathy for the Lord because he is clearly very arrogant. He hasn't really done anything wrong, but his arrogance has been his downfall. No one could blackmail me as no one would care less what I get up to, but if I was a politician, lord, business leader, footballer etc I'd be very damn cautious. A famous lord paying a prossie by cheque and boasting about his expenses kind of deserves what he gets.

It just shows how "blue pill" punters can be. You see it on this forum: "she came several times," "she is a really nice person," "she is a student who does the job for fun and the money is a bonus," "she is going back to latvia for a few weeks holiday," men who have just come often seem to believe any old bollocks these hard faced women tell them.

Never trust them an inch, I'm sure some are very nice, but they are prossies, and they will all take whatever they can from you given the chance.

It's not just "blue pill" or "red pill" though. The epistemologists on SAAFE forum for example  make a clear cut distinction between "delusion"  and "reality" but it's not that simple. ...It's like "Slavoj" says, it's not just you and the girl in the room alone, your desires and fantasies are in there with you too...

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Indeed what would be handy is a "third pill."

[purple_t]

I don't really have any sympathy for him, he must have known that he had a lot to potentially lose, but then instead of being low-key was talking to the girls about his work, expenses, other politicians... if he kept his mouth shut it's doubtful the girls would have had a clue who he was.

[Malvolio]

Fair to say that he brought it on himself with his bragging.