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Offline Blazed

The additional alias thing is interesting. How does that work exactly? Reverse IP lookup?

I have 2 AW accounts, 1 is active and the other I have never used (forgot the login details).

Hopefully that won't be problematic...

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i think if u havent used an account for 6 months then we cant see it as a linked account x
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Offline Blazed

i think if u havent used an account for 6 months then we cant see it as a linked account x

Ah right, ok thanks for the info.

Online RedKettle

No.

I used to do that and might if I moved areas. I stopped doing it because when someone reviews a prossie and I go to the link it’s not immediately obvious that I’d blacklisted her or why. Especially a problem with EEs where one has to look under the hood to find out why they’re a no-go or for instance if she has PG photos that show rolls of fat or something. I occasionally pay for a PG before going ahead with a booking but have by-passed several once I’ve seen what they really look like (and I don’t want to pay twice). So for me, a few instant notes appearing that I’ve made ages ago is more useful than just excluding her from a search. If I lived in an area where literally hundreds had to be blacklisted I’d maybe go back to using that function though. You have to find what suits you.

Another thing I do is have several saved searches. The first will be a narrow age range, no Romas, and not more than about a mile away. Then about another three saved searches with increasingly broader spec in case the first saved search doesn’t produce a desired result. (As you probably know, a saved search saves the parameters, not the results, so a quick way to scan for new prossies that meet certain requirements.)

I used to use saved searches when I was going to several different cities, I would have one or two for each city. I then got lazy and started just seeing regulars when away!  I think I will refresh some of them, you are right they are useful.

I also used to run each search with BB marked as a like and then blacklist the WGs that came up, good insurance to avoid accidentally booking one.

Offline Peterbry

If you were on there for 5 Years, had sent 4000 messages, made no bookings what so ever, I would be dubious. The content of your email will be questioned a bit more. Obviously if you were straight to the point and polite, I'd continue messaging and give the benefit of the doubt.
If I got a 5 paragraph essay explaining the ins and outs of a cats arse, I'll probably ignore instead of entertain.

Re: the bookings, doesn't that just mean the AW system has not been used for the booking, not that the person has sent 4,000 messages and never met any ladies? I avoid using the AW system to make a booking because I don't want any history of who I have seen. Doesn't mean I never met ladies through AW though.

Punting is about being discrete, so I find it bizarre that AW provides so much information on punters. That's not being very discrete.

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Re: the bookings, doesn't that just mean the AW system has not been used for the booking, not that the person has sent 4,000 messages and never met any ladies? I avoid using the AW system to make a booking because I don't want any history of who I have seen. Doesn't mean I never met ladies through AW though.

Punting is about being discrete, so I find it bizarre that AW provides so much information on punters. That's not being very discrete.
I am aware that just because it says they haven't put one through, doesnt mean they havent seen anyone. Its just another way of me getting an idea of who I might be seeing.

Using the booking system doesn't make it less discrete IMO.

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Using the booking system doesn't make it less discrete IMO.

Yes it does, it is record of were and when punter has been somewhere. That doesnt bother some others it does, I have had punters messaging escorts on AW to ask about me, sure it has happened to others too.

Anyone leaving me positive feedback on AW will get negative in return as i request no feedback
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Offline bushman

Yes it does, it is record of were and when punter has been somewhere. That doesnt bother some others it does, I have had punters messaging escorts on AW to ask about me, sure it has happened to others too.

Anyone leaving me positive feedback on AW will get negative in return as i request no feedback
I should do that. Very clever.

Offline Moby Dick


Punting is about being discrete, so I find it bizarre that AW provides so much information on punters. That's not being very discrete.

Discretion is important.

The only info AW has about me is my IP address, device and approximate location, and of course a false name and email address. I do not pay for anything using credit cards or debit cards.

AW income comes from the service providers. It's main interest is not punters animosity.
AW tries to give service providers a way to check our history\feedback. The usefulness of last log in date and email to booking ratio is clearly limited. Most "truly independent" girls want us to make a booking request so that they can check our feedback, to avoid or deter time wasters and harm. From our side if they don't keep the booking then you can  give them negative feedback but few do since you may get a neg in return, hence why this site is so useful for punters.
For most and especially for return visits I do not use AWs, just ring or text the girl, but I am surprised how many fluffies leave feedback over and over again for the same WG. Some WG believe that having thousands of ratings will get them more business or demand higher prices, I think most of us on Punters think the opposite - fresh meat rather than worn out hags.

Offline Moby Dick

Yes it does, it is record of were and when punter has been somewhere. That doesnt bother some others it does, I have had punters messaging escorts on AW to ask about me, sure it has happened to others too.

Anyone leaving me positive feedback on AW will get negative in return as i request no feedback
I also have asked WGs not to leave feedback since I know some do not follow the etiquette of service seeker first. If you delete the booking request asap after the booking does this remove the option of the WG from leaving feedback?

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Yes it does, it is record of were and when punter has been somewhere. That doesnt bother some others it does, I have had punters messaging escorts on AW to ask about me, sure it has happened to others too.

Anyone leaving me positive feedback on AW will get negative in return as i request no feedback
Fair bloody play. There we go, I've learned something new.
Perhaps I should loosen up a bit with screening.

Offline bushman

I also have asked WGs not to leave feedback since I know some do not follow the etiquette of service seeker first. If you delete the booking request asap after the booking does this remove the option of the WG from leaving feedback?
I am happy to leave feedback just don't want any on return.

Offline m4rmite

Just so no one feels left out i've added the SP's to my HL :crazy:, just in case i'm on my travels and the stars line up.

One of you was on the HL the instant i saw a splendid bush being cultivated :blush:


Offline acorn50

Following on from this, does it also mean that a SP can also tell who has looked at their profile? Or does it just tell them that they have been looked at x times in a day?

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nah cant see whos just viewed us
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Offline nigel4498

If a SP can see if she is on a hotlist, can she see if she's on a block?

Offline MrMatrix

If a SP can see if she is on a hotlist, can she see if she's on a block?
Must be able to surely. :hi:

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not sure , as i dont think anyones blocked me ever lol
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Offline MrMatrix

not sure , as i dont think anyones blocked me ever lol
I dont suppose any one ever has either. :thumbsup:

Offline dubs

 Can the SP see “accessing from” if the guy is in a foreign location?

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So this a question I have asked before but I will repeat for anyone who knows including Rebecca and Pippa,

How does the AW booking system work from the SP’s end? As I understand it an SP can see and read a booking request before accepting it, and can offer feedback at any point even if they don’t accept the booking. I ask because I wonder if it is worth the extra effort of making bookings, writing feedback and collecting feedback through the system even though all my bookings are in reality made by phone?

I have had punters messaging escorts on AW to ask about me, sure it has happened to others too.

Anyone leaving me positive feedback on AW will get negative in return as i request no feedback

Really?  How would you know that, and why bother using the booking system if this is your concern?  The vast majority of SP’s seem agnostic about bookings through the AW system.  Why are you using it if you distrust it so?

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Can the SP see “accessing from” if the guy is in a foreign location?


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So this a question I have asked before but I will repeat for anyone who knows including Rebecca and Pippa,

How does the AW booking system work from the SP’s end? As I understand it an SP can see and read a booking request before accepting it, and can offer feedback at any point even if they don’t accept the booking. I ask because I wonder if it is worth the extra effort of making bookings, writing feedback and collecting feedback through the system even though all my bookings are in reality made by phone?

Really?  How would you know that, and why bother using the booking system if this is your concern?  The vast majority of SP’s seem agnostic about bookings through the AW system.  Why are you using it if you distrust it so?

I don't think we can leave feedback unless you book as such , we can leave feedback only not a rating  the same as you can for us x
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Offline Rochelle

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We can leave a proper feedback rating even if booking isn't confirmed.

Offline bushman

Can they see how many bookings we have made?
And when last messages sent? (seeing that they can see how many messages we have sent.)

Offline Marmalade

This is mostly for newbies (and only one opinion of course) ...

If you book through the AW website and the psycho Roma didn’t get a fix that morning then ooops, you’ve maybe got bad feedback for fuck all. On the other — and this seems very area-dependent — half a dozen (say), good feedbacks is good for your halo and helps with those nippyheads that won’t see anyone unless they’ve feedback.

So why not just use a bit of common ... if you want some feedback, use the system to book but only if it is a prossie you have high confidence in. Throw something in at the end about is it ok to swap feedback and wait until she says yes, then (as an extra safeguard) let her leave feedback first.

If it was a good punt, just leave something nominally nice, don’t be a twat or gush. (E.g. if you had a nice time, just say ‘had a nice time’.) Few people read them; a few feedbacks is useful both ways, no puke of shite necessary.

If she’s an unknown quantity or a TOFTT, just phone her up or text her (whichever the profile says), no online booking unless she insists. Some people like email (for me it usually takes too long), and if you’re somewhere with plenty of choice you can filter down to phone numbers showing only .

Just my opinions.  :hi:

Offline Zimbaman

AW identifies you and probably links your alias from your IP address and device you use.
You can check by going to my details, log in history.
Could be a problem if you share a house or stay somewhere (hotels?) with other punters or even WGs.

AW identifies you by your unique browser settings. Not IP address. If they did we’d all have huge problems every time we visit a hotel. I’ve never had any problems (as far as I’m awar)  :hi:

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Marmalade,

That is what I thought. 

I am a bit perplexed by Punters relating that they specify they don’t want feedback on AW during bookings (so why bother using it in the first place?). 

Also some Punters do leave negative reviews on AW - is this necessarily a pyrrhic victory?

Offline Gordon Bennett

Another aspect to consider is Client Connections. When you join AW as a punter it switches it on and thus makes things more visible to service providers. I can't think of any advantage to having it on so I'd advise going into your settings/profile and disabling it. I'm pretty sure this stops ladies knowing if they're on your hotlist but I wouldn't like to say for certain...... it definitely stops you getting spam unsolicitated AW emails from ladies touting their wares.

Offline Lizzie_Lockhart

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This is what a client's profile looks like if you don't put much info in, though I have seen some with pictures, about me sections, likes, dislikes etc which look more like you would expect a WG's profile to look (minus the money making aspects)



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In the Client Connections section we can see who has Hotlisted, registered for alerts, booked us or paid for our content.

Here's the header and it's literally just a list with basic info such as name, location (if provided) and age.

We can then click to see the profile as per previous post

There was another topic on client connections a few months ago, I put up some screen shots there too but I can take them again if anyone wants more info

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And if the client has more than one account it shows up in the messages section.

Your username will have the number of feedback you've received in brackets, as I imagine it does for WGs and if you have a second account there will be another number after that.

Clicking on the number shows a screen like this -

The strike through means the account is no longer active, and based on the username of the inactive account I think this chap has dabbled with offering services to female clients.

I've also seen a client's account with a female service provider's account linked. I'm not sure if this is down to a client and WG sharing an internet connection or if it's something more suspect tbh.  I also don't know if providers with a couples/duos account would have an alias.

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And if the client has more than one account it shows up in the messages section.

Your username will have the number of feedback you've received in brackets, as I imagine it does for WGs and if you have a second account there will be another number after that.

Clicking on the number shows a screen like this -

The strike through means the account is no longer active, and based on the username of the inactive account I think this chap has dabbled with offering services to female clients.

I've also seen a client's account with a female service provider's account linked. I'm not sure if this is down to a client and WG sharing an internet connection or if it's something more suspect tbh.  I also don't know if providers with a couples/duos account would have an alias.

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The log ins. Out of interest Is this a notation over the life time of the client or over the last year or what time frame?

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The log ins. Out of interest Is this a notation over the life time of the client or over the last year or what time frame?
I would imagine this is over the lifetime of the account, there's no info from AW to suggest otherwise.

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Lizzie,

Very interesting.  If you know, can you also talk through how appointments work from the SP side please?

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Lizzie,

Very interesting.  If you know, can you also talk through how appointments work from the SP side please?

Sure, I think I use the AW booking system the way AW intended it, but I know some ladies have their own way of doing things.

1. Booking Request comes in and looks as per the pic, but there are tick boxes under scheduled and confirmed.

2. I tick the scheduled box (which I believe sends an email to the client to say I've accepted the booking) and send him one of my own confirming time, date, services, rate, outfits etc, giving him my number and asking him to confirm at an agreed upon time to get my location.  There is a bit where I get his number and a timeframe to confirm with him by text, but I only do that if specifically requested.

3. Booking is confirmed, client shows up, a good time is had by all - Tick the confirm box and we can exchange feedback for each other.

Or

4. The booking is cancelled/rearranged - Leave the confirmed box unticked and I can leave feedback for him which counts (or detracts as a negative is -1 off the existing score) to/from his feedback rating.  If the booking is unconfirmed then the client cannot give feedback that affects the escort's score but they can still add comments which show up on the feedback though.  This has happened to me when I've either forgotten to confirm the appt took place or they've left feedback literally after leaving the house!

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This is mostly for newbies (and only one opinion of course) ...

If you book through the AW website and the psycho Roma didn’t get a fix that morning then ooops, you’ve maybe got bad feedback for fuck all. On the other — and this seems very area-dependent — half a dozen (say), good feedbacks is good for your halo and helps with those nippyheads that won’t see anyone unless they’ve feedback.

So why not just use a bit of common ... if you want some feedback, use the system to book but only if it is a prossie you have high confidence in. Throw something in at the end about is it ok to swap feedback and wait until she says yes, then (as an extra safeguard) let her leave feedback first.

If it was a good punt, just leave something nominally nice, don’t be a twat or gush. (E.g. if you had a nice time, just say ‘had a nice time’.) Few people read them; a few feedbacks is useful both ways, no puke of shite necessary.

If she’s an unknown quantity or a TOFTT, just phone her up or text her (whichever the profile says), no online booking unless she insists. Some people like email (for me it usually takes too long), and if you’re somewhere with plenty of choice you can filter down to phone numbers showing only .

Just my opinions.  :hi:

Exactly. We seem to often disagree on off topic but our punting via AW (thinking this and also the exchanges on HL, blacklist and saved searches) are very similar. I just keep the feedback ticking over with reliable WGs in case I need it.

Offline shagmore

At the end of the day does it really matter, the info you have put down is not incriminating to you, doesn't reveal who you really are as the WGs identity doesn't reveal who or where they are actually from.
People just getting a bit paranoid.
So what that they see if you are on their hot list, don't mean a flying fuck, who cares if they see how many emails I send out, your feedback should speak for itself, thats why its always useful to give feedback ever now and again.
Realise you cant every time and then leave a review on here, as 2+ 2 = the link between AW and here
Calm down and just fuck, thats what you want, thats what they want to do to earn money. its no biggy


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Lizzie,

This is very useful and I have two further questions if you have time to answer them please.

I have assumed that the vast majority of SP’s (that I visit) take the vast majority of bookings directly by phone/text rather than through AW.  If I am right then using AW as you do is (very) rare.  Am I wrong?

As an SP do you think it is OK for me to assume that I can “confirm” a booking made over the phone by following up with an AW meeting request?  My concern is that this will not be perceived negatively (pushy/ high handed / odd)?

I take from your post that the booking process encourages responsible behaviour all round and I am considering making it a standard part of the way I make arrangements, hence the questions.

Thanks again for the insight and your time. :hi:

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Lizzie,

This is very useful and I have two further questions if you have time to answer them please.

I have assumed that the vast majority of SP’s (that I visit) take the vast majority of bookings directly by phone/text rather than through AW.  If I am right then using AW as you do is (very) rare.  Am I wrong?

As an SP do you think it is OK for me to assume that I can “confirm” a booking made over the phone by following up with an AW meeting request?  My concern is that this will not be perceived negatively (pushy/ high handed / odd)?

I take from your post that the booking process encourages responsible behaviour all round and I am considering making it a standard part of the way I make arrangements, hence the questions.

Thanks again for the insight and your time. :hi:

It's difficult to speculate on how many WGs use the AW system as opposed to phone bookings. As an example, I take the majority of bookings by phone but if someone initially contacts me through AW that's how I ask them to make a booking. I'd only ask someone who's called to use AW if he wants an outcall, set off my "hooker-senses" and I thought I'd have reason to leave negative feedback or wanted to see what others have said about him. When I was first starting out I would only take bookings through AW because I wanted to build up my feedback.

Regarding the confirmation process, i would imagine that most WGs will have a preferred way of doing things and they should be happy to explain their process to you if you ask  (or tell you upfront without you asking)

If you prefer to book by phone you can always ask if they would mind you putting a request in. I would imagine most would have no problem with that, I can't think of a reason off the top of my head that a WG wouldn't want you to :unknown:

In theory having the ability to leave feedback should hold SPs to a better standard but, as ever, there are no guarantees in this game

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Offline Marmalade

If it’s phone booking some WGs will ask you to ‘put it thru the system’ — or occasionally I offer.

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Thanks again Lizzie and I think I’ll try asking if it is OK to put in a request as you suggest.

If it’s phone booking some WGs will ask you to ‘put it thru the system’ — or occasionally I offer.

Anything that increases my success translating prospects into bookings.
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Offline Romney

Great question OP.  Something I've wondered for a while, so thanks to all the WG's for their answers.  It's definitely helpful to know what you can see about us, and how it compares to what we can see about you on AW....

Offline PatMacGroin

Yes it does, it is record of were and when punter has been somewhere. That doesnt bother some others it does, I have had punters messaging escorts on AW to ask about me, sure it has happened to others too.

Anyone leaving me positive feedback on AW will get negative in return as i request no feedback


I don't specifically ask for no feedback, but have received it from some WG's even though I have not left feedback for them first.

I find it annoying because then I'm less likely to post a review here on UKP. I believe the more that the WG's listed under my reviews match those listed on my AW feedback the easier it could become for someone nosey to link my AW profile to my UKP profile. Although thankfully negative experiences don't usually rush to leave AW feedback. (It's especially annoying when I've prepared a review while it's still fresh in my memory, ready to post at a later date, then a couple of weeks later the WG pops up on my AW feedback.)

I'm assuming SP's also get reminders when they log into the AW website if they have a confirmed booking that they have not left feedback against?

Offline Moby Dick

This is why I ask if deleting the booking removes the option to leave feedback?
I believe the options remains active for 30days.

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I don't specifically ask for no feedback, but have received it from some WG's even though I have not left feedback for them first.

I find it annoying because then I'm less likely to post a review here on UKP. I believe the more that the WG's listed under my reviews match those listed on my AW feedback the easier it could become for someone nosey to link my AW profile to my UKP profile. Although thankfully negative experiences don't usually rush to leave AW feedback. (It's especially annoying when I've prepared a review while it's still fresh in my memory, ready to post at a later date, then a couple of weeks later the WG pops up on my AW feedback.)

All the feedback you have to leave on AW if you are inclined to give it (or have tacitly agreed to return her good feedback) is something bland like “had a nice time”. You could even say (quite honestly) that no-one believes rave feedbacks so you just say something nice rather than ‘ best shag ever’  :rolleyes: haha. I think bland ‘nice’ feedback like that is ok. Writing a full AE review is a sign of too much time on your hands. (And usually choking on fluff).
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I'm assuming SP's also get reminders when they log into the AW website if they have a confirmed booking that they have not left feedback against?
Not worth worrying about in my opinion.
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Offline PatMacGroin

All the feedback you have to leave on AW if you are inclined to give it (or have tacitly agreed to return her good feedback) is something bland like “had a nice time”. You could even say (quite honestly) that no-one believes rave feedbacks so you just say something nice rather than ‘ best shag ever’  :rolleyes: haha. I think bland ‘nice’ feedback like that is ok. Writing a full AE review is a sign of too much time on your hands. (And usually choking on fluff).Not worth worrying about in my opinion.

I think you may have misunderstood my point.

I rarely bother leaving AW feedback these days and I don't do AW Field Reports. I would only expect a WG to bother leaving feedback on any AW profile in response to feedback she received.

If my most recent UKP reviews were for WG's A, B, C ... etc. And someone noticed that the most recent feedback on my AW profile are also all from WG's A, B, C, ... etc. It wouldn't take a stretch of the imagination to realise the UKP profile and the AW profile belong to the same person.

They're both anonymous, so it wouldn't automatically lead back to the real me. But I would prefer to reduce the chance of anyone linking them together. I am sure most members would agree there are many reasons to keep them separate and secret.

So what's the problem? The downside for UKP is if a WG decides to leaves me unsolicited feedback on my AW profile I am less likely to post a review here on UKP. If other members feel the same as me, that means less total reviews here on UKP.

(Although, to be honest, most of my reviews are far too detailed anyway. So if the WG being reviewed was to read it, she may well recognise who I was. Would she actually remember me and my AW profile name? Now that's another matter.)


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Pat

I have just had a quick flick through your back catalogue and I am pretty sure you have been here before. 

Sorry - I question your authenticity; for someone concerned to remain anonymous it seems to me you are going to a lot of effort to draw attention to yourself.
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