The red line most guys don’t cross

[Thephoenix]

True enough, Rocky. Whenever a wife writes to Dear Deidre, having discovered that her husband has been paying for sex, the advice she's given is always wrong; confront him, have a frank and honest discussion, tell him it has to stop, consult a Relate counsellor, that sort of guff. The correct advice, of course, would be as follows:

1) If he's paying for sex then it's good news, because it means he isn't having an affair. It's an affair that can threaten to break up your marriage, and your family; paying for sex is just a no-strings-attached bit of fun for him, and no cause for concern.

2) Please don't think it means he loves you any the less, or reflects badly on you in any way. No matter how strong your relationship, he will always want something you can never give him, which is sex with someone else. It's how they're programmed, that's all, and no big deal.

3) He may occasionally want something in the bedroom that you find...distasteful. It's all that on-line porn he watches. Do you really want anal sex, or to have him ejaculate all over your face? Of course you don't, so let him get it out of his system with a professional, then you won't have to bother.

4) He's not getting any younger, and visiting attractive young floozies 30 or 40 years his junior should at least mean he'll try to stay reasonably presentable. Imagine what a slob he'd be otherwise.

5) When he gets home after visiting a succulent, Brazilian hottie he'll likely have a spring in his step for days, and be much better company for you than the grumpy old sod you've grown used to. He may even have a present for you; a new ironing board, perhaps, or a trip to Dunelm!

6) Please remember he is still the warm, kind, generous, loving, caring man that you fell in love with, and who you want to be happy, so let him enjoy his occasional, harmless little peccadilloes and count your blessings!

Great post Charlie!
I'm forwarding that on to Deidre and Mumsnet for their future reference.

[Jonestown]

Great post Charlie!
I'm forwarding that on to Deidre and Mumsnet for their future reference.

Personally I think Charlie is a bit too quick off the mark in assuming a cheated on wife/partner/whatever would be more relaxed with the other party being a bevy of prostitutes rather than a romantically attached civiilan. Psychologically a partner paying to have sex with another woman can be a catastrophic blow to a woman's self esteem, much more so than a comparatively simple affair, because its a clear statement of her own sexual failure as a wife/partner.

[Thephoenix]

Personally I think Charlie is a bit too quick off the mark in assuming a cheated on wife/partner/whatever would be more relaxed with the other party being a bevy of prostitutes rather than a romantically attached civiilan. Psychologically a partner paying to have sex with another woman can be a catastrophic blow to a woman's self esteem, much more so than a comparatively simple affair, because its a clear statement of her own sexual failure as a wife/partner.

You do know that Charlie's post was some tongue in cheek fantasy Jonesy??
As was my response.

We know it ain't going to happen as long as 'men are from Mars and women from Venus' , which is based on Gray's premise that men and women generally have different emotional requirements and that a misunderstanding of the differences leads to the breakdown of relationships.
Articles in popular msm and magazines are usually geared to women's points of view as are most of the advice columns, and the emphasis is often on why men don't understand women, and very rarely the other way round.
Charlies post was a whimsical attempt to redress the balance.

Regarding the specific point on what women would consider the lesser of two evils:
Their partner seeing a prostitute or having an affair?

I'd tend to think they'd prefer the former.
They may say that paid for sex is a business transaction, whereas an affair is often not so simple, and involves intimacy and emotional connection, which is harder to deal with, and more of a threat to the relationship.
But then I would say that wouldn't I?

One thing's for sure. If Charlie became the nation's agony uncle, a lot less relationships would end, with all the acrimony, heartache and financial implications involved.

[Jonestown]

You do know that Charlie's post was some tongue in cheek fantasy Jonesy??
As was my response.

Yes indeed, I got that, but when it comes to a woman’s preference for being cheated on via an affair or paid for encounters, well I think it’s far from a done deal.

[sensualencounter]

Yes indeed, I got that, but when it comes to a woman’s preference for being cheated on via an affair or paid for encounters, well I think it’s far from a done deal.

Completely agree with you. I know from personal experience. Out of the horse’s mouth was “I’d much rather he cheated with Stella from accounts than a load of skanky hookers. It’s disgusting and so disrespectful how he could go off and pay women for sex from OUR money. And then come home and kiss me with that filthy mouth. I don’t know what he might have caught”.

Whilst some stuff is said tongue in cheek, there are plenty here who try hard to convince themselves that punting isn’t cheating and they are deluding themselves. If it’s really not cheating then why sneak about behind partners’ backs? I challenge anyone who is in a relationship and thinks it’s not cheating to tell their partners and see what happens. If you get free permission then I’d agree with you but I think I’m safe to say that it would be a very rare woman who would allow it.

And likewise, put the shoe on the other foot. What would you as a man say if your partner paid for sex?

[pythondan]

I think women are angered by the ease with which prostitutes allow men to cheat.

If a woman is withholding sex for whatever reason  a man who goes down the prostitute route can be having sex hours after he makes the decision to do so with a girl of his choosing who will probably offer services that the wife/partner has never or no longer offers. The guy also just needs £100 and an hour or so of free time to do the deed.

Casual sex with a civvy is far harder to arrange and can lack the discretion of a paid meet. Meeting a girl on a night out with mates has numerous challenges - will these "mates" be discrete?, what about other people in the vicinity and where would you do the deed if you get lucky? Also will the girl then walk away or expect some form of relationship.

Meeting females at work or at hobby type places (gym, college etc.) is also fraught with risk. No strings fuck buddies with their own apartments are rarer than unicorns.

Prostitutes undermine the ability of women to control their men through sex. If women did not try that then there would be far less cheating. Even a weekly quickie would keep most guys on board. Not having sex for months and being continually rejected whilst living in a world where sexual imagery is everywhere is going to frustrate any guy.

Maybe AI and robots will solve this at some point in the near future. Wives may regard a sex robot as a labour saving device akin to a vacuum cleaner or washing machine.

[Charliehutton]

Great post Charlie!
I'm forwarding that on to Deidre and Mumsnet for their future reference.

 

[Munter84]

I think women are angered by the ease with which prostitutes allow men to cheat.
...
Prostitutes undermine the ability of women to control their men through sex.

Absolutely 100% this.

[Davey80]

So my rationale for crossing the line is that to me it’s a genuine ride: as in fairground ride.

You pay your money and hop on for a sensory thrill for 30 minutes or so. That’s it.

I love my wife absolutely but as it’s sexless now and likely forever I’m morally comfortable with this choice.

I think it’s keeping me from an affair too with an emotional attachment and risk to the marriage.

Of course I’d never tell the wife but I really see it more of a cheap thrill than “cheating”.

[Chazz]

Wives may regard a sex robot as a labour saving device akin to a vacuum cleaner or washing machine.

Remember kids - DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME! Attempting intercourse with your Dyson will inevitably lead to an embarrassing visit to A&E! 

[sensualencounter]

So my rationale for crossing the line is that to me it’s a genuine ride: as in fairground ride.

You pay your money and hop on for a sensory thrill for 30 minutes or so. That’s it.

I love my wife absolutely but as it’s sexless now and likely forever I’m morally comfortable with this choice.

I think it’s keeping me from an affair too with an emotional attachment and risk to the marriage.

Of course I’d never tell the wife but I really see it more of a cheap thrill than “cheating”.

I’m not so sure how cheap it would be if the wife does find out  And I think you’re kidding yourself if you somehow think punting is less of a risk to your marriage.

[sim0256]

Charliehutton , How do you discover'punting by fluke'.???
My mind is in overdrive,

[JontyR]

Attempting intercourse with your Dyson will inevitably lead to an embarrassing visit to A&E! 

And attempting intercourse with your Henry is "technically gay"

[datwabbit]

It would be interesting to know how much prostitution grew after use of the Internet became commonplace.

And again after The Intimate Adventures of a London Call Girl.

Band of Gold, Stella does tricks and Mona Lisa are not good adverts for escorting but The Intimate Adventures of a London Call Girl was different. Wonder how many on here met her.

[Thephoenix]

And attempting intercourse with your Henry is "technically gay"

Not necessarily.


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[Thephoenix]

I’m not so sure how cheap it would be if the wife does find out  And I think you’re kidding yourself if you somehow think punting is less of a risk to your marriage.

Are you sure you're not Deidre?

[Charliehutton]

Charliehutton , How do you discover'punting by fluke'.???
My mind is in overdrive,

  I'd been impotent for years, and given up on sex. The 'flukey' bit was a new GP taking over, one who took the trouble to look back through my medical history. He saw that some years earlier I'd been prescribed Viagra - which hadn't worked - and told me of a new drug, Cialis, which worked in a different way and had been highly successful, and did I want to give it a try? Only one way to find out!

[sensualencounter]

Are you sure you're not Deidre?

Is that Dear Deidre or Deidre Barlow?

[Thephoenix]

Is that Dear Deidre or Deidre Barlow?

Take your pick!

[sensualencounter]

Take your pick!

I’ll go with Dideree Rashid

[Charliehutton]

I’ll go with Dideree Rashid

  She certainly put it about a bit back in the day, didn't she! Barlow, Baldwin, Langton, exotic Moroccan toyboy Samir I lurve you, Dideree Rashid and half the blokes on Rosamund Street, I shouldn't wonder.

[PumpDump]

I think a lot of blokes value their marriage vows or commitment to their partner. Even if the sex has been turned off and they are frustrated, they still don’t go out and cheat.

Depending on your religion, some religions the wife takes a vow to satisfy the husband sexually. So I guess if she is not fulfilling her vows then the husband can feel less guilty about breaking his vows.

[Thephoenix]

Depending on your religion, some religions the wife takes a vow to satisfy the husband sexually. So I guess if she is not fulfilling her vows then the husband can feel less guilty about breaking his vows.

My dearest promised to love, cherish and obey at the wedding in 1962.

It's interesting that going back further, the wife's vows were spoken in Latin, and translated as:-

Ich.N.take the.N. to my weddyd housbonde to hau and to holden fro this day forward, for bettere, for wers, for richere for porere,for sekness and in helthe, to be bonyre and buxsum in bedde and at borde, tyl deth us departe, zif holi cherche hit wyle ordeyne and there to y plight the my treuthe. 

I quite like the bonyre and buxsum in bedde bit.

 Of course I'm glad times have changed, but unfortunately not for all societies.

[Titti Tatti]

The question was why do so many blokes not punt. I’m not judging anyone on here, merely saying why I believe a lot of men don’t punt. It seems to have rattled your cage and a few others though.

Is it the word cheating that has triggered you and Alabama? Because all this justification of it being a business transaction and means nothing isn’t what the vast majority signed up for when getting married or partnering up. And as has been pointed out a couple of times, if you’re so sure it’s not cheating then check with the other half (if you have one) and see what she says.

Or maybe see if you’d be happy with the missus having a no strings fuck every now and again.

So, I’ll reiterate my point. I believe that a lot of men don’t go and see escorts because they’re in a relationship and don’t want to cheat on their partner. That’s only one reason, another reason is because of the stigma and perception of it all. And I’m sure there are plenty of others as well, like finances or lack of self esteem.

I think you must be on to something based on the strong reaction you've recieved.
All you seem to be saying time is that not all guys in A sexless marriage cross the red line. Some here seem to find it strange and vaguely threatening you'd point this out. 
If you've been banned for saying that, then moderators please note; I agree with what he's said and happy to be 'punished'  for such anti groupthink.

[PumpDump]

I think you must be on to something based on the strong reaction you've recieved.
All you seem to be saying time is that not all guys in A sexless marriage cross the red line. Some here seem to find it strange and vaguely threatening you'd point this out. 
If you've been banned for saying that, then moderators please note; I agree with what he's said and happy to be 'punished'  for such anti groupthink.

He was banned for something different in another thread.

[petermisc]

It would be interesting to know how much prostitution grew after use of the Internet became commonplace.

My impression is that prostitution was much more in your face prior to the internet.  Mass circulation newspapers like the Sun and the Sport used to have page after page of adverts, as did most local and small ad papers and all those free papers that got pushed through your door every week.  Most newsagents had a top shelf full of contact magazines.  And travel to any of the big cities, and all the phone boxes were plastered with cards and stickers.  That open public visibility has largely gone now.

A number of things happened around the same time to totally transform punting, of which the internet was but one.  Ready access to cash via hole in the walls was another (prior to them, you would have to take a cheque into your own bank branch to get it cashed by a nosy cashier, and they were only open weekdays, and only until 3:30pm).  Mobile phones, making it easier to book (I can remember taking a pile of coins to a phone box to try and set something up, or furtively using the office phone).  And the opening up of our borders to allow all those hot Poles in, which totally transformed the quality of what was on offer.  In my mind, the last was probably the most significant factor.  Prior to that, what was available was truly grim by today's standards.

I think the perception that prostitution is illegal probably dates to the time when the police would routinely raid brothels, and have mass sweeps of street walkers, which would get sensationalist reporting in the press.  It would be easy to get the impression that it was illegal, and prior to the internet where would you get advice to tell you otherwise.  Does Encyclopedia Britannica have much to say on prostitution?

[signy]

I think the perception that prostitution is illegal probably dates to the time when the police would routinely raid brothels, and have mass sweeps of street walkers, which would get sensationalist reporting in the press.  It would be easy to get the impression that it was illegal, and prior to the internet where would you get advice to tell you otherwise.  Does Encyclopedia Britannica have much to say on prostitution?

On this line, I think the other factor is that over a number of years the police have taken a more sensible approach to prostitution (with a lot of local variation). Generally, they will now clamp down on street prostitution and the associated kerb-crawling, and anything else that is being a public nuisance, whilst tolerating any SP, or group or premises, working in a non-obtrusive manner. The latter having become a lot easier with internet advertising. Basically, accept that it is going to happen, and just ensure that there is nothing that is going to scare the horses.

[thebastard]

Slightly OT but I feel this forum helps as it's good to talk about my "hobby" with others.

[Crockers]

I'm married, sexless, too comfortable to leave but should I guess.

I've had mistresses. Get's too emotionally messy as they wanted a bf.

Had loads of escorts. Feels too mechanical now, though fun at first. Still occasionally fun when seeing a new one.

Had, and still seeing, SAs. Been great, on the whole.

Had reg SA/escorts - been great when it hits. I prefer this now.

After sex with a genuinly friendly vibe but no hint of love or romance. I got EAS with one girl which I do NOT recommend.

I have mates in sexless marriages. Some are loyal as they love them. Some may be pretending they're loyal to their wives. Some have a mistress or two on the side.

One mate brings his SA girls to the local, and is open about it.

I stay schtum, and just say I cheat a lot with other girls.

My mates don't judge.

[Maak]

My married mate from work, he only gets sex from the wife only once or twice a year. He has one nightstands on nights out, few women he met through FB & once a while AW, which I introduced him to.

The wife finds out often, takes him back but still doesn't offer regular sex. She expects him to be happy in a sexless marriage & play happy families.

[webpunter]

I'm thinking or certainly hoping that i'll be over the 1000 mark by the time I give up punting 

Let's be honest how many blokes lie on their death bed thinking "I wish i'd fucked less women" 

That is some target
Respec 
Reck i'm on over 500 overall, i'm not entirely sure 
On civvys into three figures & there have been some additions to this number
Though less so in the past decade
To be expected i suppose
Paid for continues to rise

I could do more civvy stuff but overall lots of time effort expense & on balance i CBA
& i havent found a civvy who will be OK edging me for an hour
With b2b oilyTWs various position changes
I reck asking for such could be precarious
& there's the issue of them being good at it
I reck stick to professionals, not easy to find

The OP better get cracking if he wants to get to a ton, 80-90 to go   

[WestMids74]

My married mate from work, he only gets sex from the wife only once or twice a year.

Really quite sad when you think about it... I'd love to know the % of men in sexless marriages/relationships, I bet it's higher than most think! Life's too short to not get your end away

[Chris1990mcr]

I recently realised a mate had met his GF at school. Been together ever since and they are now in their 30s. He's never shagged another girl in his life.

I've shagged more girls in the past 7 days than he has in his life.

Another mate, hes literally shagged 2 girls.    Just doesn't seem the life.

[WestMids74]

I recently realised a mate had met his GF at school. Been together ever since and they are now in their 30s. He's never shagged another girl in his life.

I've shagged more girls in the past 7 days than he has in his life.

Another mate, hes literally shagged 2 girls.    Just doesn't seem the life.

Agreed, there are literally millions of attractive women out there. Only right to try and get stuck in to as many as possible imo!

[yesbby]

I recently realised a mate had met his GF at school. Been together ever since and they are now in their 30s. He's never shagged another girl in his life.

I've shagged more girls in the past 7 days than he has in his life.

Another mate, hes literally shagged 2 girls.    Just doesn't seem the life.

Some men aren’t driven to distraction by sex.  I wish I wasn’t. My life would have been much more productive

[webpunter]

I recently realised a mate had met his GF at school. Been together ever since and they are now in their 30s. He's never shagged another girl in his life.

I've shagged more girls in the past 7 days than he has in his life.

Another mate, hes literally shagged 2 girls.    Just doesn't seem the life.

The problem is for these guys they have no idea what is out there
From about 18 onwards a week away somewhere hot would see scores on the doors three to five civvys
Ten a year on average i reckon
GFs seemed to last a year max
Getting hitched & kids meant some time out however the wheels fell orf so time to get back on the horse / bike so to write
I then found Awank [a mate mentioned the purple one] & then i stumbled upon UKP a decade ago.  Re-fucking-sult
I like to mix up civvy & paid for action
As you get older more experienced & wealthier with less time to go civvy hunting available / CBA, IME the latter becomes more prominent

So your two mates have shagged three burds between em
I had one evening at Estark in Fingerhola & decided to have three SPs
2 at 30 mins each & then one for an hour, the finale
No shooting with SPs 1 & 2 [which surprised em], after a long w/e hookering & getting wasted with mates no chance of three pops
Three hopes, no hope Bob Hope & his bruvva
Maybe 45-60 mins in between chatting with blokes i'd met there a few times & mates over beers & window shopping choosing the next lovely
SP number three got both barrels 

You gotta feel sorry in some ways for blokes like your mates
However they could do sumfink about it if they made the effort

[shed]

Maybe his mates are in love. 

[webpunter]

Maybe his mates are in love. 

 
They can swap shagging stories
The bloke with scores on the doors = 1 could get jealous of the other on 2

Tho one / both of em might be hiding a secret that well into hookering & other stuff
You never quite know

[Blackpool Rock]

They can swap shagging stories
The bloke with scores on the doors = 1 could get jealous of the other on 2

Tho one / both of em might be hiding a secret that well into hookering & other stuff
You never quite know

Perhaps they aren't out chasing skirt as they prefer the missus to do em with a strap on instead 

[webpunter]

Perhaps they aren't out chasing skirt as they prefer the missus to do em with a strap on instead 

Highly likely
 
An average of 1.5 burds between em is piss poor

PS your target of a bag of sand on the burd no's is quality 
I've had to rest my horizon 
There's me thinking i've been doing quite well
Obvs not 

IIRC NIK was on / nearing a thousand burds / SPs
Wonder how he's doing ?
Fingers crossed all OK, i had a lot of time for him 

[MrMatrix]

So my rationale for crossing the line is that to me it’s a genuine ride: as in fairground ride.

You pay your money and hop on for a sensory thrill for 30 minutes or so. That’s it.

I love my wife absolutely but as it’s sexless now and likely forever I’m morally comfortable with this choice.

I think it’s keeping me from an affair too with an emotional attachment and risk to the marriage.

Of course I’d never tell the wife but I really see it more of a cheap thrill than “cheating”.

+1 to a point. Ive never really been happy with punting as its not what Im about. But a sexless marriage has driven me to look at this alternative. For me its better than an affair, but its still cheating. I dont feel guilty, I do feel a bit of shame but the OH has played her mind games knowing that Im frustrated but there comes a point you have to do something. I think punting has saved my marriage as Im pretty sure I would have left and its been like a half way house, just enough to keep me sane. 
And when the grimm reaper comes I will now be able to look over my shoulder with a smile, for its been an interesting and fun journey.

[Dylanbob]

I'm not married and although have had a decent punting career never cheated on anyone.

Surely some of you must deep down think the wife knows?

[akauya]

I think women are angered by the ease with which prostitutes allow men to cheat. [1]

If a woman is withholding sex for whatever reason  a man who goes down the prostitute route can be having sex hours after he makes the decision to do so with a girl of his choosing who will probably offer services that the wife/partner has never or no longer offers. The guy also just needs £100 and an hour or so of free time to do the deed.

[...]

Prostitutes undermine the ability of women to control their men through sex. If women did not try that then there would be far less cheating. Even a weekly quickie would keep most guys on board. Not having sex for months and being continually rejected whilst living in a world where sexual imagery is everywhere is going to frustrate any guy. [2]

1 - Bit of a sweeping statement there. Whilst there maybe some women who are indeed "angered by the ease with which prostitutes allow men to cheat" the majority will probably feel more angered due to misconceptions, perception of illegality, morals and to a great extent the stigma of prostitution.

2 - Again you're lumping all women as controlling freaks who withhold sex to control their men. I'm not denying that there may be huge amount of women who do that, some more so than others. However, there are probably a bigger amount of women who for some reason or another just no longer feel the desire to have sex with their husbands/partners. The reasons for this are legion and probably range from something ridiculously silly to something seriously worrying such being in an abusive relationship.

Then there are some women who just go off sex altogether, they love their husbands/partners, they live in a 'happy' marriage but their libido just goes. Of course there are some women who no longer want sex with their partners but are happy to find sex with someone else. They are the ones who by virtue of living with a man 24/7 dealing with farts, dirty socks, daily boring routine, etc. makes sex with their partners as appealing as sticking a wasps' nest up their fanny.

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But let's not all get into the idea that everyone (men and women) who live in a sexless marriage goes off to find sex with someone else. There maybe countless people out there who may be just as happy to live without sex. There are asexual people who get married and remain so not because of physical intimacy but for the emotional intimacy (I know people like that.)

I find it very sad also that some people believe that it's a woman's duty to satisfy her husband sexually, otherwise the man is entitled to go off and have affairs. It's sad that we still live by that biblical nonsense in the 21st century. It puts unnecessary pressure on relationships when some men feel entitled to sex and some women feel they are failing because they are not satisfying their men. Equally if a woman is giving plenty of sex to her partner she feels entitled to have/demand what she wants from him, etc. It's a recipe for disaster and leads to unhappy relationships, and we all do this to ourselves.

The problem as I see it is monogamy. Whilst it may have been useful and necessary in early societies I think monogamy is no longer suited to modern lifestyles... but I won't go into detail as my ideas are rather weird.

So my rationale for crossing the line is that to me it’s a genuine ride: as in fairground ride.

You pay your money and hop on for a sensory thrill for 30 minutes or so. That’s it.

I love my wife absolutely but as it’s sexless now and likely forever I’m morally comfortable with this choice.

I think it’s keeping me from an affair too with an emotional attachment and risk to the marriage.

Of course I’d never tell the wife but I really see it more of a cheap thrill than “cheating”.

You may see it as a "cheap thrill" but it's still cheating.

And before anyone thinks I'm pontificating, I'm not. I'm 100% aware that I'm a bastard, cheating, scumbag. I don't pretend what I do is not cheating. I also live in a sexless marriage and I have had many affairs, I go swinging, and see sex workers regularly. I think had my marriage not been sexless I would still be a bastard, cheating, scumbag.  In my defence though, I remained faithful for many years during the sexual drought at home as I wanted to be a "good husband" but nature has its way to force our behaviour I guess.

I blame testosterone and monogamy.

[akauya]

Surely some of you must deep down think the wife knows?

Yep, most women do.

[Jonestown]

Yep, most women do.

Bit of a sweeping statement there, some only just suspect.

[mr.bluesky]

No I'm not, a lot of people watched Emmerdale last night. Doesn't mean that a lot of people didn't.

They don't show a lot of sex in Emmerdale though do they  otherwise I'd start watching it 

[akauya]

Yep, most women do.

Bit of a sweeping statement there, some only just suspect.

Sweeping statement would be "all women do" I clearly said "most women do."

Semantics aside, I learnt early on never to underestimate a woman's intuition. Cliché that it may be or not.

[webpunter]

Bit of a sweeping statement there, some only just suspect.


Sweeping statement would be "all women do" I clearly said "most women do."

Semantics aside, I learnt early on never to underestimate a woman's intuition. Cliché that it may be or not.

+1
The key time for punters with OHs in on getting home after the tanks have been emptied
This is when the OH will be focusing most
Gathering info to see if any of their intuitive markers are flagged
Critical is behaving the same as any other day
For example not skipping thru the door like 'zippy-de-do-da zippy de ...'

[Boristheboy]

You’re asking that question on the wrong forum aren’t you, how would punters know what goes on in the head of a non-punter ?

Because most of us WERE non-punters at one point. Speaking for myself, I didn't realise it was legal at first, then when I did, I was terrified of catching an STI. The first few times I punted, I was too infection-nervous to even touch their pussy. Over time I developed a more proportionate sense of risk.

[Malvolio]

I recently realised a mate had met his GF at school. Been together ever since and they are now in their 30s. He's never shagged another girl in his life.

I've shagged more girls in the past 7 days than he has in his life.

Another mate, hes literally shagged 2 girls.    Just doesn't seem the life.

For all you know they might be shagging WGs every week.