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Offline iceraider

I've been seeing a regular girl (whom I won't name for obvious reasons) on and off for about 2 years.
I'm 33 she 28. I'm divorced.
The last 6 months or so she hasn't charged me a penny and we've had a few non sexual nights together.

Get a text a couple of days ago asking to meet for coffee where she subsequently tells me she's fallen for me and wants to be with me full time.

I said that I wasn't sure if it was a good idea due to the way we met etc and I'm not sure if I would be happy to go out with a girl working in the industry. We've not discussed if she would quit the job yet.

Anyone been in this situation before?

Jackjones

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A few on the borad have, i think a member has been married to one befor.

If you like her, i can't see an issue if YOU can get over the idea of her being a working girl. Think the biggest comment guys made about it was that you'll not be able to punt anymore really as being a former WG she'll be able to find out alot easier as she knows the game, also she might miss the easy money and find it hard to stop working / lossing her independence.

Have a serch on here alot of info about it, more then you would think.

Quesadilla

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As I've said elsewhere I don't see any difference between WG's and any other type of G's.  It depends what you're after. If you want a "traditional" relationship then clearly this is not the best start.  But a "traditional" relationship seems likely to wind up with you punting on the side anyway.

If you want a relationship with someone who is clearly highly sexed, open minded, pragmatic then a WG might well be a better bet.  At least she understands better than most that if at some point the sex dries up you will be looking elsewhere.

I am assuming from the fact that she's a reg and you've had non-sexual meets that you do actually like her, why not do a trial dating thing? You don't have to commit to anything, give it a go, see how you get on what have you got to lose?

Assuming you get on famously and really want to take it further I would say that is the point at which you discuss whether she keeps doing the job or not, and a lot of that comes down to the "why"?  Is she in this job just for the money or because - like you (I assume) she just enjoys lots of different sexual partners / encounters? 

If the former, it may be tricky if she's used to the cash from the lifestyle and you may have to decide whether you can live with her choice of job.

If the latter then is she really sure she can be monogamous?  If she is really highly sexed then the challenge will be for you to keep things sexually interesting for you both.

Not saying it would be easy but clearly the "traditional" relationship has it's issues as well, well attested to by the membership here.  :drinks:
« Last Edit: December 24, 2014, 08:36:18 pm by Quesadilla »

James999

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I've been seeing a regular girl (whom I won't name for obvious reasons) on and off for about 2 years.
I'm 33 she 28. I'm divorced.
The last 6 months or so she hasn't charged me a penny and we've had a few non sexual nights together.

Get a text a couple of days ago asking to meet for coffee where she subsequently tells me she's fallen for me and wants to be with me full time.

I said that I wasn't sure if it was a good idea due to the way we met etc and I'm not sure if I would be happy to go out with a girl working in the industry. We've not discussed if she would quit the job yet.

Anyone been in this situation before?

Tell her if she wants to be with you full time then you need 50% of her client fees to show her commitment to you  :thumbsup:


Offline berksboy

               Just remember when she fucks a punter its work to her , with you its love / fun . Can you deal with that ?

Quesadilla

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Please read this

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Brilliant - really like these four points:

1) What other men have to pay tons of money for, she shares with you for free.

2) Not even having sex with those other men – some of whom can be pretty unpleasant – puts her off wanting to be with you.

3) Work-sex is a performance. With you, she gets to be herself – animated and vulnerable in a way that she would simply never be at work.

4) She didn't choose to be with those guys. She chose you.

I personally would be really flattered if one of my regulars decided she actually wanted to be with me. 

Offline Clooney

I dated a very part time WG for about three years.

She usually worked about no more than 8 times a month. Often far less. Usually as a third in a threesome.

I didn't object to her fucking other guys at all, quite the opposite. We are both very broad-minded and played with other people whilst together.

Sounds great yeah?

Well, even with me being the least jealous person you could hope to meet, it wasn't all sunshine.

Of course there are the days when she's on her period, is snappy and doesn't want you anywhere near her. That's natural, but in that's respect she's just like any other girl, so don't expect your sex-fantasy girl on tap, 24/7. It won't always be like that.

Also, there are the standard nights where the two of you are jus slobbing around drinking tea
And whatnot. Again, in this respect just like any other girl.

But when the sex happens, in my experience it is fucking dynamite. I totally fell or this girl In a big way and I was sure I'd never have suffered from EAS. It ended badly, and it was me that ended it.

A few people on here know that I have tendencies toward being Dom, but her tastes eventually became too uncomfortable for me, and I'm broad minded. It got to the stage where I was thinking of excuses NOT to have sex.

Imagine that. From a horny, crazy , nympho, with wild sex every night of the week, to that.

Not saying your case will be the same. In fact it very likely won't, but be as someone who's been there, lived it and is here to tell the tale, just proceed with caution.

Best of luck. Hope it work out for you mate.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2014, 09:52:11 pm by Clooney »

Offline Lilywhite

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DON'T make her give up. She will resent you and if you ever mess up she'll have "I gave up work for you" into it every time.
Speaking from experience.
I personally think WGs would make the perfect partners. Open. Sexually experienced. Well off. Annnd you get the 'I'm not paying' ego boost!

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

A wild sexy nypho then?. Just who is this lady, surely not one of these wimmen who pass for escorts these days;?.

Bah Humbug:!(..

Suppose one way of looking at it is theres thousands of girls on the game in London alone, now they seem to me to be there to make some money, more than they could ever hope to make at home. Now I can only suppose they aren't all going to carry on their escorting life are they?.

Very good article that BTW, suppose if you can cope with it then go for it time will only tell..

And best of luck with any happiness that you find with her:).

Offline Lilywhite

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Brilliant - really like these four points:

1) What other men have to pay tons of money for, she shares with you for free.

2) Not even having sex with those other men – some of whom can be pretty unpleasant – puts her off wanting to be with you.

3) Work-sex is a performance. With you, she gets to be herself – animated and vulnerable in a way that she would simply never be at work.

4) She didn't choose to be with those guys. She chose you.

I personally would be really flattered if one of my regulars decided she actually wanted to be with me.

I sent this to my ex also. Didn't help him at all, but extremely good points.

LL

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She sucks cocks for a livin'
Just sayin'!

SirFrank

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Do you like her? Are you comfortable with her job? It seems you are virtually dating as it is. A friend of a friend used to date a lap dancer but he couldn't deal with the job in the end. You're a punter you know how it works so if you do give it a try go into it with your eyes open. If it's not for you be up front and tell her. Let us know what you decide though

James999

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I personally think WGs would make the perfect partners. Open. Sexually experienced. Well off. Annnd you get the 'I'm not paying' ego boost!

Get real,
Open Sexually, the only difference between them and non pro$$ies is they charge for it
Well off, you are joking most can't even afford to put credit on their phone
experienced, burned out more like turned off sex by being fucked senseless day after day by every tom dick and abdul
Not paying ego boost, flip side is she will sleep with anyone

And on top of that most seem to be "damaged goods" that caused them to get into being a pro$$ie in the first place  :wacko:

Offline Jimmyredcab


I personally think WGs would make the perfect partners.

If you can handle the fact that they are sucking numerous dicks day after day.   :vomit:

Yes, I could fall for a pro$$ie, as long as she got a proper job.  :hi:

Offline superfurryanimal

Do you like her? Are you comfortable with her job? It seems you are virtually dating as it is. A friend of a friend used to date a lap dancer but he couldn't deal with the job in the end. You're a punter you know how it works so if you do give it a try go into it with your eyes open. If it's not for you be up front and tell her. Let us know what you decide though


I agree with this. You must have known she had feelings for you when she stopped charging you. It must have been hard for her to raise the subject....You obviously have a rapport...I'd go for it...if things go wrong, c'est la vie. At least you'd have given it a go though.

charming_red

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I personally think WGs would make the perfect partners. Open. Sexually experienced. Well off. Annnd you get the 'I'm not paying' ego boost!

If only the those were the requirements to be a perfect partner in a relationship  :dash:

A relationship requires a hell of a lot more than that.

And a lot of these girls are pretty psychotic so thats a no-no for starters.

Quesadilla

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She sucks cocks for a livin'
Just sayin'!
Hmm...she gets paid to suck cocks - which she enjoys and in the process quite possibly makes better money than you....Just sayin'!    ;)

Offline berksboy

"which she enjoys "   Nope its just work  for sure she gets payed very well

Online myothernameis

Think the biggest comment guys made about it was that you'll not be able to punt anymore really as being a former WG she'll be able to find out alot easier as she knows the game, also she might miss the easy money and find it hard to stop working / lossing her independence.


would love to know what she thinks of this, would she mind if you still punted with other escorts, especially if she is still working, and if you got married how do you go from there

How old is she, could you if you were to get married want tkids

Aspen

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DON'T make her give up. She will resent you and if you ever mess up she'll have "I gave up work for you" into it every time.
Speaking from experience.
I personally think WGs would make the perfect partners. Open. Sexually experienced. Well off. Annnd you get the 'I'm not paying' ego boost!

You've maybe got some points there. But I think the killer is that just about all WG's and ex-WG's have the mentality of feeling entitled to payment whenever they have sex. I know one who has a BF and she is forever talking about the freebies he gets. She can't separate whoring from her personal life, and I don't get how any guy could tolerate that. He'd be forever on the defensive, and that's the reason many guys punt anyway.


Offline CBPaul

Get real,
Open Sexually, the only difference between them and non pro$$ies is they charge for it
Well off, you are joking most can't even afford to put credit on their phone
experienced, burned out more like turned off sex by being fucked senseless day after day by every tom dick and abdul
Not paying ego boost, flip side is she will sleep with anyone

And on top of that most seem to be "damaged goods" that caused them to get into being a pro$$ie in the first place  :wacko:

Agree with all of this.

Personally I wouldn't date a prossie. Once the honeymoon period wears off will you be comfortable with the thought of her shagging other blokes, especially knowing what you do being a punter yourself ? If she gives it up can you afford to keep her as no doubt she'll expect ? Won't be long before you'll be wondering if she back on the game and she'll be wondering if you're punting.

That's my view, but if you like her enough to go for it just make sure your eyes are wide open, could be one hell of a ride but beware the fallout if it all goes wrong.

Online myothernameis

Agree with all of this.

Once the honeymoon period wears off will you be comfortable with the thought of her shagging other blokes,

And there the law, especially if she is still working, immoral earnings, ethically you could never take any thing from her even a single pound, so you would have to basically provide for your self

some correct me if I'm wrong about this point

Offline AnthG

Get a text a couple of days ago asking to meet for coffee where she subsequently tells me she's fallen for me and wants to be with me full time.

I said that I wasn't sure if it was a good idea due to the way we met etc and I'm not sure if I would be happy to go out with a girl working in the industry. We've not discussed if she would quit the job yet.

All I will say on this is, the motto / guide to life I have in my mind is that 'your first reaction is usually the correct one'. Its something that also gets frequently mentioned as a universal correct way to handle things on TV shows and films.

If your first reaction was, its not a good idea, that is the correct answer for you.

Personally speaking if one or two girls I have really liked said to me what this girl said to you. For me in that situation I can be fairly certain I would not be asking questions or pondering, It would be "yes" straight away two seconds flat before the girl possibly changes her mind. And then I would then try and iron out the complexities.

So that means for me the correct response is a "yes". But for you its definitely a "no" in this situation.
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Quesadilla

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"which she enjoys "   Nope its just work  for sure she gets payed very well
 
Sorry, but you are talking bullshit. 

Human beings are wired to like sex - sex is linked to our core pleasure systems. When we have sex pleasure drugs get released in our brains that are as powerful as any opiate. 

There are no doubt some people who are wired wrong who don't actually enjoy sex - usually people who have been sexually repressed and taught that sex is bad (yeah a very Merry Christmas to the religious cunts out there who have a lot to answer for) but these will be an extreme minority and guess what - these repressed fuckers would NOT be going into a job where the have to have sex all the time! 

So within the WG population of course there will be a spectrum from those that "quite enjoy sex" to those that are genuinely gagging for it and love experimenting but it's utter bullshit to say that every WG does not like sex.  That statement makes literally no sense I'm afraid. 
 
But it's a spectrum for sure.  Some women I have no doubt could enjoy sex with almost any guy - they can always find something to turn them on.  But others have probably more narrow taste. 

There is another factor which weighs in - which is economic necessity.  There are definitely those with limited education / qualifications where they feel they have no alternative to prostitution other than cleaning the toilets somewhere.

These WG's may feel like they are being "forced" to have sex for money and therefore resent it - regardless of how much they actually enjoy sex in civvy life.  So they may come across as not particularly enjoying their job, they are the clockwatchers, the timewasters, they want to get from one punter to the next because they resent their lack of choices.  But that has nothing to do with whether or not they enjoy sex. In fact it's probably as much to do with the social stigma attached to being a prostitute, that prostitutes are made to feel like the lowest of the low in many cases.

Personally, I consider prostitutes to be doing a public service.  WG's should be prescribed on the NHS, forget all that holistic medicine shit.   They should not be looked down on as many men seem to, even, surprisingly, men on forums like this.

Nobody likes to feel backed into a corner and that they are the lowest of the low and that they have no options.  It's not conducive to being happy in your job no matter what that job is.  But of course if you can earn more than enough cash you might stick with it regardless.  You may even end up taking a twisted pleasure in the job in knowing that actually - that little prick who just came in and looked down his nose at you while fucking you probably earns less money than you. 

In my personal experience those that love sex are the ones that actually have a decent civvy life as well - they don't necessarily need to escort but they do it because they genuinely enjoy it.  Certainly all of my regs and most of my best punts seem to be with those that have a real life outside of this.  If I suspect someone is at the other end of the spectrum - ie they do it just as a job and don't enjoy the sex - then they get crossed off my list.

So far had no problems finding the other kind and loving them all!  :kissgirl:

Dave2014

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I married a WG I met in a very high end brothel in Europe.

As soon as we agreed to get married (very shortly after we met), she stopped being a WG. She never went back to it, and we have been very happily married for 12 years.

What I am about to say will probably attract criticism, but, just so you know, I care less than you could ever imagine: it is pretty much impossible to date a WG if she continues as a WG. No man wants his life partner getting speared and used by random blokes every day. If you date/marry a WG and she continues in the profession, the likelihood is that your relationship will be fraught with difficulty and ultimately fail. I say this not only through my own experience, but through witnessing first-hand the experiences of my wife's WG friends. When my wife was a WG when we first got together, I didn't like it at all. Once we were serious, the only way forward was for her to stop and when I told her that, she was actually very relieved and admitted that she was desperate for me to tell her to stop. She didn't want to stop of her own volition in case I got the wrong message that she wanted to live off my personal wealth.

Before you come out with the 'hypocrite' accusations (because I insisted that my wife no longer be a WG but I still punt) I refer you to the small biological fact that I produce four billion sperm every day and she produces one egg each month. And believe me, I don't punt four billion times each day, no matter how I would like to.

So, if you really want to date a WG, and you are of sufficient means, you should have a conversation about her giving up the game and even retraining in a civvie job with your support (both emotional and financial). If she does not want to give up the game, then just move on.

I will look any WG in the face who states she actually wants to be a prostitute and I will call her a liar. There are WGs who try to convince themselves that they want to be WGs and that they either love sex or achieve financial independence without a man blah blah blah but all they are doing is lying to themselves to enable them to continue in what is a pretty miserable existence. If you gave any of them an option to have a commensurate standard of living (or better - both financially and emotionally) but without being a WG, they would take it in a heartbeat. No woman being honest with themselves wants to gargle rancid cum and risk death and disease for a living.

So my advice to you would be this: by all means date the WG casually if you are okay with her to continue as a WG. But is she really has 'fallen' for you, tell her that it would only be possible with a new start in the context of a relationship where she returns to a civvies life . . . and if you take my advice, you can thank me in 12 years.

« Last Edit: December 25, 2014, 03:39:00 am by Dave2014 »

Offline blackpunter

My advice is to keep the relationship as it is at the moment coz if you go full time you risk losing each other for good due difficulties that might arise from jealousy or money etc. I have been seeing a wg for the past 3 years on a casual basis. She still works but I stay overnight at hers once every 2 months or so. She understands that I'm married so and I understand why she sells her body. I have even let her stay with me and wife when a bogus landlord made off with her deposit and rent. Told my missus it was a friend from work who was in desperate need lol. I love the wg and she loves me but we both agree its best to keep it casual

Toshiba

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Remember they are cunning little fuckers and this may be her ticket out of working?

Dont dont do it is my opinion

Whos to say she wont fall for another punter?

Up to you, im guessing you will date her

Sienna_Bronze

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Bloody hell? Damaged goods, a miserable life? Wg's are the same as other women. No ifs or buts! Getting into any relationship requires trust regardless what your other half works as. If you can't stand the thought of sharing her sexually though then it's pro not the right thing for you.

LL

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I've been there (dating a WG).  It's a roller coaster on which you're catapulted into a steaming pile of shit at the end the ride!  :D
That's just my experience. Maybe yours will be different  :drinks:

Offline Qwerty

With anything as big as that, of course you've got to stop and think about it.

But the important thing is how you feel about her - she's already told you how she feels. If you feel the same way, go for it, you'll find a way to work things out.

Offline Trenlover

I expect it can work but she would need to give up escorting permanently and find a normal job.

If you really have feelings for someone there is no-way you can be happy with them shagging other blokes even if its for money. In the back of your mind you will be wondering each time "is that guy better than me, is he richer, fitter than me?"

How can you be happy sitting in the office at your day job thinking to yourself "right now some guy is slobbering over my girl and slamming her pussy )

the jealousy index is a measure of how much you really like someone.

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Quesadilla

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Bloody hell? Damaged goods, a miserable life? Wg's are the same as other women. No ifs or buts! Getting into any relationship requires trust regardless what your other half works as. If you can't stand the thought of sharing her sexually though then it's pro not the right thing for you.
+1 - I daresay there are some WG's who are damaged goods - but equally there are civvies who are damaged goods!  I've dated a fair few myself! 

Now, maybe if a girl is damaged goods and goes the way of drug / alcohol addiction then there is a slippery slope to being a WG - you need the cash to feed your addiction, which itself renders you unable to hold down a steady job so the life of a WG may be all you can do to help you feed your addiction.

But you don't need to be damaged goods to get hooked on sex - sex is highly addictive on it's own as it is inextricably linked to the same chemicals that are triggered by most recreational drugs!  At the same time having someone hand over their cold hard cash and demonstrating desire for you must be a boost to your self esteem.  And who couldn't use an extra few quid?  Especially women who are routinely paid 10-30% less for the same job as their male colleagues. 

When a WG seeing just one punter a day only 5 days a week at £150ph can make an extra £3k per month - £36k per annum which is nearly double the average salary for a woman in the UK - I can't see that any girl needs any deep dark reason to become a WG! 

Of the 25 or so girls I've seen this year the vast majority do this as a second job to make some extra cash or pay them through their studies - because otherwise they'd just be giving it away for free because they genuinely get off on sex.  As far as I am concerned they are the smart ones.

So why do a lot of guys seem to assume that to become a prostitute there has to be something wrong with you??  And if you really think that what does it say about you that you would take advantage of someone when they are down like that??? Nice.  :thumbsup:

Offline Daffodil

I personally would be really flattered if one of my regulars decided she actually wanted to be with me.

You would be really flattered if a prostitute wanted to be with you?  :rolleyes:

Offline Daffodil

DON'T make her give up. She will resent you and if you ever mess up she'll have "I gave up work for you" into it every time.
Speaking from experience.
I personally think WGs would make the perfect partners. Open. Sexually experienced. Well off. Annnd you get the 'I'm not paying' ego boost!

Lolz

Only a prossie or fluffy moron could come out with such nonsense  :D

Quesadilla

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You would be really flattered if a prostitute wanted to be with you?  :rolleyes:
Well I am starting from the assumption that it's not just a random WG but one of my regs - all of whom by definition I find incredibly attractive and have fantastic sex with. What is so strange about being flattered by that!?

Offline Daffodil

Hmm...she gets paid to suck cocks - which she enjoys and in the process quite possibly makes better money than you....Just sayin'!    ;)
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Ah, the fluffy moron  :hi:

Quesadilla

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Hmm...she gets paid to suck cocks - which she enjoys and in the process quite possibly makes better money than you....Just sayin'!    ;)
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Ah, the fluffy moron  :hi:
And a Merry Fucking Christmas to you bitch!   :hi:

Offline Daffodil

Well I am starting from the assumption that it's not just a random WG but one of my regs - all of whom by definition I find incredibly attractive and have fantastic sex with. What is so strange about being flattered by that!?

To me, personally, it's pathetic  :hi:

Quesadilla

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To me, personally, it's pathetic  :hi:
And your opinion counts for what exactly in the great scheme of things?   :lol:

Offline Daffodil

And your opinion counts for what exactly in the great scheme of things?   :lol:

Nothing. But then neither does yours.

What do Internet forum count for exactly in the great scheme of things?

What's your point?

Quesadilla

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Nothing. But then neither does yours.

What do Internet forum count for exactly in the great scheme of things?

What's your point?
That was my point glad you got there in the end Daff.
 :hi:

Offline Daffodil

That was my point glad you got there in the end Daff.
 :hi:

What, 30 seconds?

Please don't give yourself intelligence you clearly lack.

Tell me what your point is? That both of our opinions are pointless in the grand scheme of things? Yes, congratulations on your masterful insight oh philosophical one  :rolleyes:

So why are you here expressing your opinion? If it matters not?

Maybe it's because somebody expresses a different viewpoint/opinion you suddenly bring the universe into it to attempt to belittle it. Pathetic again  :sarcastic:

Offline Daffodil

Regardless of whether the universe gives a shit (as you clearly do, hence you post), I think you being ridiculously happy that a prostitute wants to spend time with you is pretty pathetic.

Does that opinion matter in "the grand scheme of things"? Nope. But there it is. Enjoy  :hi:

Quesadilla

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Regardless of whether the universe gives a shit (as you clearly do, hence you post), I think you being ridiculously happy that a prostitute wants to spend time with you is pretty pathetic.

Does that opinion matter in "the grand scheme of things"? Nope. But there it is. Enjoy  :hi:

Who said ridiculously happy? I said flattered - and I've explained why. 

You are still just saying the same thing because you have nothing intelligent to say. Blah blah blah it's pathetic blah blah.  What's pathetic about sitting on a punting forum and talking about enjoying the company of prostitutes??  And being flattered when one decides to stop charging you for their company.

Sounds to me like you're the moron mate!  :sarcastic:

Had enough of your shit, especially on Christmas day, join the other tossers on my ignores list and have a Merry Fucking Christmas moron.

Offline Daffodil

Who said ridiculously happy? I said flattered - and I've explained why. 

You are still just saying the same thing because you have nothing intelligent to say. Blah blah blah it's pathetic blah blah.  What's pathetic about sitting on a punting forum and talking about enjoying the company of prostitutes??  And being flattered when one decides to stop charging you for their company.

Sounds to me like you're the moron mate!  :sarcastic:

Had enough of your shit, especially on Christmas day, join the other tossers on my ignores list and have a Merry Fucking Christmas moron.

Stick your fingers in your ears whilst you're at it and sing "la la la, I can't hear you". Like a man :D

Being ridiculously happy (sorry, flattered  :rolleyes:) because a prostitute would deem you worthwhile enough to spend time with "off the clock" is pathetic. And from your post it sounds like none ever have.

Never mind, maybe next Christmas  :drinks:

Offline Daffodil

Bloody hell? Damaged goods, a miserable life? Wg's are the same as other women. No ifs or buts! Getting into any relationship requires trust regardless what your other half works as. If you can't stand the thought of sharing her sexually though then it's pro not the right thing for you.

No they're not. Most women won't spread their legs for £80 for any random fucker. Don't kid yourself, they're (you're) damaged goods simply by virtue of being a prossie.

Offline Daffodil

And I'm happy to add that I also consider myself to be "damaged goods" because I'm a punter and I understand 100% why a woman wouldn't want to date me because I fuck prostitutes. That's why I keep my punting a secret.

rafatheira

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No they're not. Most women won't spread their legs for £80 for any random fucker. Don't kid yourself, they're (you're) damaged goods simply by virtue of being a prossie.

And we (punters) all the examples of perfection? That's not a rabbit hole we want to go down, with all due respect mate.

Okay just seen your new post, and fair enough.

The whole punters and wg's think of pretending to be on a moral high ground to the other group really irks me, both sides (not meant for you, in particular, just a general thing)
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