"Elite" escorts

[martell]

Hey all,

I'm new in London and looking to have some fun eventually. So I was looking at the "Type A" Agency web sites, and I have found these "elite" escort agencies (e.g. External Link/Members Only, 500+ph girls) and I can't find any info/review on any of these girls anywhere. Such high priced and good-looking escorts are non-existent where I come from, so naturally I am a bit suspicious but also intrigued. Are these "elite" escorts legit? 

I am not asking whether they are worth the price, I am just asking whether their looks is really model-level.

Can you really bait-and-switch at 500+ph? At that price, people will just turn back and leave. 

Thanks guys and I will definitely be able to contribute at some point in the near future

[Dani]

Considering most are heavily photo shopped how will you know if it is the same girl you booked as half of them all look the same from what small part of the face you can see

[NIK]

Hey all,

I'm new in London and looking to have some fun eventually. So I was looking at the "Type A" Agency web sites, and I have found these "elite" escort agencies (e.g. External Link/Members Only, 500+ph girls) and I can't find any info/review on any of these girls anywhere. Such high priced and good-looking escorts are non-existent where I come from, so naturally I am a bit suspicious but also intrigued. Are these "elite" escorts legit? 

I am not asking whether they are worth the price, I am just asking whether their looks is really model-level.

Can you really bait-and-switch at 500+ph? At that price, people will just turn back and leave. 

Thanks guys and I will definitely be able to contribute at some point in the near future

Yes you can. And I wouldn't bank on it. 

[NIK]

Considering most are heavily photo shopped how will you know if it is the same girl you booked as half of them all look the same from what small part of the face you can see

 

[JV547845]

The price for `elites' or agencies is just not worth it unless your cock says you simply must have that particular girl.  £500 is a lot of money to find out she doesn't do DFK or OWO.

[James999]

I'm new in London and looking to have some fun eventually. So I was looking at the "Type A" Agency web sites, and I have found these "elite" escort agencies

Odd that they don't even have a landline, and for such large organisations surely they would have their business name and VAT number visible, or perhaps it's just some pimp with a mobile phone and a laptop 

[martell]

Alright, I get it! I just assumed that since London is a big city there might have been a true market for these type of girls.

[west8]

Of course there is a market. I used agencies for well over a decade before discovering Adultwork.

Here are two truths many won't like: the best agency girls are often exceptional. What is exceptional?

Fluency in multiple languages.
Masters or Doctoral education.
Well travelled.
Able to converse on a wide range of topics.

Now, I realise none of the above is relevant for those looking for a 'fuck', but it's relevant to the upper end of the market: senior corporate executives and rich playboys who need to convince their colleagues and/or friends and/or business associates that the 9.5/10 on their arm isn't paid for.

It takes a very proficient and highly adaptable WG to be able to pull that off - hence the considerably higher prices.

[Sedlmayer]

Of course there is a market. I used agencies for well over a decade before discovering Adultwork.

Here are two truths many won't like: the best agency girls are often exceptional. What is exceptional?

Fluency in multiple languages.
Masters or Doctoral education.
Well travelled.
Able to converse on a wide range of topics.

Now, I realise none of the above is relevant for those looking for a 'fuck', but it's relevant to the upper end of the market: senior corporate executives and rich playboys who need to convince their colleagues and/or friends and/or business associates that the 9.5/10 on their arm isn't paid for.

It takes a very proficient and highly adaptable WG to be able to pull that off - hence the considerably higher prices.

You're having a laugh, aren't you?

[cueball]

As long as dirty Doris doesn't get any ideas that she's worth 500 quid an hour I'm not bothered what the "elite" charge, they won't see me, I can punt for a month on that and my undies will be up and down like a brides nightie

[west8]

You're having a laugh, aren't you?

Try taking an Adultwork girl to a reception at Guildhall or to Simpson's-in-the-Strand.

Then come back and tell me if I'm being serious.

[Sedlmayer]

Try taking an Adultwork girl to a reception at Guildhall or to Simpson's-in-the-Strand.

Then come back and tell me if I'm being serious.

Well, back in the day, I took Paige of Les Girls to tea at Fortnums and lunch at le Caprice and had a lovely time.
She didn't have a PhD though.......

[CBPaul]

Now, I realise none of the above is relevant for those looking for a 'fuck', but it's relevant to the upper end of the market: senior corporate executives and rich playboys who need to convince their colleagues and/or friends and/or business associates that the 9.5/10 on their arm isn't paid for.

It takes a very proficient and highly adaptable WG to be able to pull that off - hence the considerably higher prices.

It would take a lot of convincing, way beyond the level of her education and language skills. I've met plenty of prossies who probably have only basic education but can talk with knowledge on many diverse subjects. The problem is, they know fuck all about me and if I did take them anywhere it would become immediately obvious that we didn't know each other and thus the fit bird on CBP's arm is charging by the hour.

They are offering a different service to the prossies I pick off of AW and charge a premium rate for it to a market that is willing to pay. I still think with all the efforts to make it look real most onlookers will be nudging each other and whispering 'he's paying'. 

Well, back in the day, I took Paige of Les Girls to tea at Fortnums and lunch at le Caprice and had a lovely time.
She didn't have a PhD though.......

Ah but without a Ph.D in infusion technology was the illusion shattered when she asked for a mug of tea with 3 sugars which she slurped her way through before belching loudly at the end and wiping her mouth on her sleeve ? 

[Sedlmayer]

Ah but without a Ph.D in infusion technology was the illusion shattered when she asked for a mug of tea with 3 sugars which she slurped her way through before belching loudly at the end and wiping her mouth on her sleeve ?

   No we got away with it quite well, I think, especially considering she didn't speak multiple languages 

[OakTree]

You're having a laugh, aren't you?

He's confusing the real world of escorting with the pretend, that you'd actually book a girl just to look good on your arm. Let's face it if she had all those attributes she wouldn't need to go fucking for cash.

[Norman8796]

When I started 10 years ago, I didn't have the time to do the research I do today. I had some duff punts with a couple of agencies - Blue Monday and the now defunct Bentleys - I spoke to them about it and built a good relationship with the agencies. I was looking for good sex skills not companionship and they did deliver once they knew what I wanted. It is a hell of an expensive way to do it but if you don't have the time it works.

[Quesadilla]

He's confusing the real world of escorting with the pretend, that you'd actually book a girl just to look good on your arm. Let's face it if she had all those attributes she wouldn't need to go fucking for cash.

And what would she be doing instead exactly?  She'll still most likely be earning less than £50k per annum according to External Link/Members Only.

She also knows she will always be treated as a second class citizen simply because she's a woman - will earn 10-20% less than her male colleagues no matter how hard she works compared to them. 

Or she can go earn £100-200k instead, probably working only 2-3 days a week, sometimes being fucked yes, but sometimes being wined and dined at posh events.  She's going to get fucked by someone one way or another so why not on her terms and making enough to be genuinely financially independent?  It would actually be pretty dumb not to at least consider it. 

[Sedlmayer]

And what would she be doing instead exactly?  She'll still most likely be earning less than £50k per annum according to External Link/Members Only.

She also knows she will always be treated as a second class citizen simply because she's a woman - will earn 10-20% less than her male colleagues no matter how hard she works compared to them. 

Or she can go earn £100-200k instead, probably working only 2-3 days a week, sometimes being fucked yes, but sometimes being wined and dined at posh events.  She's going to get fucked by someone one way or another so why not on her terms and making enough to be genuinely financially independent?  It would actually be pretty dumb not to at least consider it. 

Thanks for the fluffy point of view, but I'm with fraserlad here.

[SirFrank]

I'd agree with the majority here, for the most part it's a pisstake and or a scam. However, it very much depends on what the OP wants to book the girl for. If it's for a one hour in call, search the regional boards for indie girls who provide a 5* service and can be found on AW for a fraction of the price.

[smiths]

Hey all,

I'm new in London and looking to have some fun eventually. So I was looking at the "Type A" Agency web sites, and I have found these "elite" escort agencies (e.g. External Link/Members Only, 500+ph girls) and I can't find any info/review on any of these girls anywhere. Such high priced and good-looking escorts are non-existent where I come from, so naturally I am a bit suspicious but also intrigued. Are these "elite" escorts legit? 

I am not asking whether they are worth the price, I am just asking whether their looks is really model-level.

Can you really bait-and-switch at 500+ph? At that price, people will just turn back and leave. 

Thanks guys and I will definitely be able to contribute at some point in the near future

There is no such thing as an Elite WG, its merely marketing speak for expensive, same as Courtesan and High Class. What makes a good WG is her attitude NOT what she charges. Paying more in punting does not necessarily mean the WG is better than one who is charging less as i know from paying £350 an hour years ago and £100 an hour and finding the cheaper WGs were as good or better. Bait and Switch is possible at any price level in punting which is in the main unregulated so has low lifes involved in it at every level.

No idea about this outfit as I don't punt through Agencies nowadays but my advice is locate recommended WGs on here through punters you find credible.

[Jimmyredcab]

Of course there is a market. I used agencies for well over a decade before discovering Adultwork.

Here are two truths many won't like: the best agency girls are often exceptional. What is exceptional?

Fluency in multiple languages.
Masters or Doctoral education.
Well travelled.
Able to converse on a wide range of topics.

What a load of bollocks, you are just as likely to get a lowlife slapper from a council estate.     

[Jason]

First of all this thread should be transferred to the London board. I am also going to ignore the pathetic attempt to derail the thread with complete and utter off-topic bullocks about doctorate qualifications as the OP only asked about model looks. Now on topic clearly the OP has read the Puntingwiki guide and that I wrote External Link/Members Only as he uses the same terminology together with the sarcastic inverted commas for “elite” which of course translates to piss-taking. I also wrote External Link/Members Only for Agency girls Vs Adultwork girls where there is a section I talk specifically for the these ‘elite’ (i.e. piss-taking) agencies and why their rates are high. Furthermore I made a couple of relevant posts here (1, 2).

Although your questions are more or less covered in PuntingWiki I will answer them again with some further info:

Pictures authenticity - Are the pictures on these agencies genuine?

All (or at the very least almost all like 99.9%) the girls that are listed on the agencies that I refer to as “Type A” (a big list of all these agencies External Link/Members Only) are genuine. However the accuracy of the pictures varies due to photoshop and tricks of glamour photography. Some girls do look exactly like their pics (despite the pics being professional), others resemble them about 80-90% and others look nothing like their pics (their OWN pics which though are airbrushed to death or old taken 5+ years ago). Most London agency girls had their pics taken by 3-4 professional photographers, perhaps the most popular one being External Link/Members Only (who charges £1000+ per photoshoot). So when you see the backgrounds of these 3-4 photographers it serves as a further cross check that the pics have not been nicked from magazines such a playboy etc.

Related to the topic another caveat with profiles of type A agencies is that some girls stopped escorting or are on indefinite holidays but the agencies may still display them to show they have plenty of girls. That said the reputable agencies (e.g. External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only) are up to date and the non-active girls are either removed or listed as “on holiday”. In any case when you CALL to ask for a girl who is not active they WILL tell you that she is not available.

That other caveat is that some of these agencies (e.g. External Link/Members Only) do not verify the profiles of new girls up until 1-2 weeks afterwards where they meet the girls to collect their commission. Anyway given the deposit these girls often pay it is highly unlikely a girl to send fake pics to these agencies. But they do send old and photoshopped pictures which most agencies are happy to display and mislead punters. Also some greedy agencies like Admirals despite having newer pics of some girls they opt to display the older ones to price the product higher. For example look at External Link/Members Only who is priced £200ph. On agency Baracuda as External Link/Members Only she is priced £150ph and the pics displayed are from her newest photoshoot and are not equally appealing. Now here is how this person actually looks without photoshop --- she was on Adultwork for £120ph.

Are there professional models who escort?

As I say in the guide the “type A” agencies are subdivided to “common” (i.e. with reasonable-ish  prices) and “elite” (i.e. with piss-taking prices). Yes *SOME* of the girls (NOT all) working for the “elite” type A London agencies (such as External Link/Members Only, External Link/Members Only, External Link/Members Only, etc) ARE indeed professional photomodels or glamour models and regardless of the pics’ accuracy they are stunningly gorgeous in person. There are also many who do possess model looks without having a professional modelling career.

Why there are no UKP reviews about these “elite” girls/courtesans?

Most members here are very sensible about how they spent their money. And paying £600-£1000ph per hour (not for a multi-hour booking or duo or an overnight) is fucking ridiculous. That is why there are no reviews about such girls although there are a few for £500ph agency girls who are also available as independents on Adultwork for much less ----like for example Brazilian Mel External Link/Members Only who is currently available on this agency External Link/Members Only (intentionally given in image format instead of a url link) but on Adultwork she is £150ph. Surely there ARE people who pay these rates (billionaires for example who book Mel)–they are just either unaware about punting review websites or they simply don't bother to post reviews. They could review on the agency websites but rarely such reviews are useful as they are fluffy. Also agencies rarely display negative reviews on their reviews section. Girls from Paradise and Hamilton do not display the negatives. From the "common" agencies Diva does not display the negatives. Peachy sometimes. Admirals always do allow the negatives (ironic given their other history). Barracuda and Eternity always (amongst the most honest). I can keep listing but it is not relevant anyway-perhaps I should update the Wiki...

Are these elite agency girls worth visiting if you have the money?

Most probably not. Girls who are priced above £300ph (i.e. £350 or more) and are not available as independents for less (like Mel for example) are not only overpriced but also tend to be poor service providers with a *very* limited service list (e.g. no FK, no OWO, no COB, covered handjob, cum once, etc). Yes, they are beautiful and friendly but that is where the good things about them end. If you are *only* (and I repeat ONLY) interested in looks you may well find some Romanians at £100ph or even for £80ph who are equally beautiful. Examples:
1. ashanti_sexy: External Link/Members Only 
2. jasmine just 4u: External Link/Members Only
3. melissa_just4you: External Link/Members Only
4. Kayla Jolie: External Link/Members Only

Book one for £50-£60 for 30mins or £80-£100 for 60mins. Once you experience a very limited or shit service you will understand that paying anything more than that *just* for model looks is a complete waste of money. Now where you draw a line for what you are prepared to pay for a *combination* of gorgeous looks AND excellent service is a different story. There ARE though a few top girls (in every aspect even premises) in the sub £150ph price range; most are already well reviewed on UKPunting. Perhaps Adele4u is the best example.

[Pastit]

I would quite like to try an "elite" and probably expensive escort, just for the hell of it, and to see if she's worth the extra

[Norman8796]

The ones that are good at sex are very hard to find but it is an experience worth doing if you can afford it.

[JV547845]

Great post Jason.

[Mr Jones]

"Why there are no UKP reviews about these “elite” girls/courtesans?"

Because from observation, 90% of the readership of this forum appear, from their views/literacy etc, to represent a more 'working-class' element of the demographic, contrasted with, for example the subscribers to the C69 forum. And this means that they have a very different viewpoint on expensive escorts. If you want feedback on these expensive escorts, you will be better of signing up to C69. And I add that I have no connection with that forum, but do read it.

[Dave2014]

"Elite" is a synonym for "overpriced".

I have punted sub £100 ph (in London) and over £500 ph (in Los Angeles) and I can assure you that there is no positive correlation whatsoever between price and service.

Punting is essentially akin to hiring a cab to get you from A (full bollocks) to B (empty bollocks). The mode of transport is always same (a vagina), but each driver might be slightly different (better dressed, more chatty, nicer uniform).

If you want to pay a ridiculous amount on the driver then do so, but you are wasting your money, and will never be like the many self-made millionaires who punt and are members of UKP.

[Dave2014]

. . . from observation, 90% of the readership of this forum appear, from their views/literacy etc, to represent a more 'working-class' element of the demographic

Don't talk complete and utter gob-shite. You clearly know nothing of either class or it's correlation to wealth. You really have made yourself look a bit of a prat there, I fear.

Besides, we are well known for our self-made millionaires on UKP.

Oh - and fuck off with your touting of other forums - there's some working class language for you.

[smiths]

"Why there are no UKP reviews about these “elite” girls/courtesans?"

Because from observation, 90% of the readership of this forum appear, from their views/literacy etc, to represent a more 'working-class' element of the demographic, contrasted with, for example the subscribers to the C69 forum. And this means that they have a very different viewpoint on expensive escorts. If you want feedback on these expensive escorts, you will be better of signing up to C69. And I add that I have no connection with that forum, but do read it.

In reality the reason is some of us on here are clued up knowing paying more doesn't necessarily equate to being better. There is NO correlation between what a WG charges and how good she might be as what makes a good WG is her attitude NOT what she happens to charge.

As to the demographic of this forum I think its mixed from my observations over 4 years, sure there are working class punters on here, but there are also middle class who I have met at parties and outside parties.

Its good WGs that feedback is always needed on, if they happen to be good and expensive its then up to the punter to decide whether a WG is worth paying her fee to. I know some punters on here have posted they cant locate WGs who offer what they require for under £200 an hour, their business of course.

[Sedlmayer]

"Elite" is a synonym for "overpriced".

I have punted sub £100 ph (in London) and over £500 ph (in Los Angeles) and I can assure you that there is no positive correlation whatsoever between price and service.

Punting is essentially akin to hiring a cab to get you from A (full bollocks) to B (empty bollocks). The mode of transport is always same (a vagina), but each driver might be slightly different (better dressed, more chatty, nicer uniform).

If you want to pay a ridiculous amount on the driver then do so, but you are wasting your money, and will never be like the many self-made millionaires who punt and are members of UKP.

Mustafa deserves all he gets paid - would you want to drive West around all day, listening to his Walter Mitty ramblings and long phonecalls to Carter Ruck?

[Sedlmayer]

"Why there are no UKP reviews about these “elite” girls/courtesans?"

Because from observation, 90% of the readership of this forum appear, from their views/literacy etc, to represent a more 'working-class' element of the demographic.....

So you think working class people (ie people who work, as opposed to chavs on benefits) are illiterate?
It's a shame WOTW is locked.

[Jimmyredcab]

Odd that they don't even have a landline, and for such large organisations surely they would have their business name and VAT number visible, or perhaps it's just some pimp with a mobile phone and a laptop 

That "pimp" could well be martell  ------------------- a brand new member "advertising" an overpriced escort agency sets alarm bells ringing with me.     

[martell]

Thanks alot Jason, you answered all my questions. Really appreciate. I will try to TOFT at least once to make a contribution.

[Jason]

from observation, 90% of the readership of this forum appear, from their views/literacy etc, to represent a more 'working-class' element of the demographic, contrasted with, for example the subscribers to the C69 forum. And this means that they have a very different viewpoint on expensive escorts. If you want feedback on these expensive escorts, you will be better of signing up to C69. And I add that I have no connection with that forum, but do read it.

There is no way to know the demographics of the readership. Here you cannot even know about the demographics of the membership as out of the almost 20K members only less than 2K have made more than 20 posts. In other words you have some info about 10% of the members but even for them you can’t arrive at any conclusions about their financial status or social class. Also you have absolutely zero information about the lurkers. On average there are 25K visitors daily - I estimate the aggregate number of different visitors to be greater than 25K despite the possible overlap with the 18.5K members who are possibly lurking. How can you tell anything about them?

I would agree that the London reviews’ section (and that of other cities as well) is dominated by reviews for Adultwork girls and given that 90% of Adultwork girls are priced up to £150ph, reviews for more expensive girls are infrequent. But does this actually prove anything? It only proves that UKPunters go for VFM girls and that they try to optimise what they can get given their budget (either small, medium or large) i.e. trying to increase punting frequency or punting time without sacrificing quality. It proves nothing about their financials or class. Let's take for example an annual punting budget of £20K. It may be spent for: 40hrs*£500ph or 200hrs*£100ph.

If you want feedback on these expensive escorts, you will be better of signing up to C69.

I have never participated in their forums but I have used Captain as well as TER and other punting websites in the past both for submitting and reading reviews. There are no reviews about these very expensive (£600-£1000ph) girls. There are only reviews up to £400ph girls. Well at least I couldn't find any for the girls that caught my eye.

contrasted with, for example the subscribers to the C69 forum. And this means that they have a very different viewpoint on expensive escorts.

Judging from the reviews I read there I think I know their viewpoint pretty well. It is the “what happened will remain between us” viewpoint. It is the “treat her well” viewpoint. It is the useless fluffy bullocks viewpoint. Such viewpoints have no place on UKPunting. Thankfully.

The reality is that this “elite” thing is a myth. And these “elite” (piss-taking) agencies are very good at exploiting this myth and creating value out of thin air to which gullible newbies and clueless punters succumb. Let’s have a look at this “elite city escorts” website to further prove the point.

1. External Link/Members Only is priced £300ph. Not too much given others are £1000 but the SAME girl can be found as External Link/Members Only/External Link/Members Only on other agencies for £150ph. The SAME girl DOUBLE price.
2. External Link/Members Only is priced £300ph. Again not too much given the others but the SAME girl can be found on Adultwork as External Link/Members Only as independent for £130ph. THE SAME girl MORE THAN DOUBLE price.

What happened and these girls' fee is DOUBLE? Especially for Paola who is found on ANOTHER AGENCY half price. Clearly not the difference of being independent. Guess what? It is marketing. All girls on this “elite city escorts” website have to be expensive. In the mind of the clueless newbie this £300ph girl is the cheapest. If he doesn't go elsewhere he will go either for the cheapest (you know the bargain...) or by also seeing the most expensive (the “top of the range”) is £1000 will most probably opt for “something a bit better” than "the cheapest" and go for the “modest” £500-£600 punt.  I refuse to fall into this trap and also pay a pimp even more for a 50p job of arranging a booking by calling a girl. Knowing and avoiding this does not define your class. It just makes you clued-up. But NOT knowing this makes you clueless like most members of C69.

Thanks alot Jason, you answered all my questions. Really appreciate. I will try to TOFT at least once to make a contribution.

If you still want to go for such an expensive £600+ per hour punt (you will certainly regret it after starting punting girls recommended here) then go for it and please post a review following the UKP review guide. At these rates the one that would interest me personally from all these "elite" agencies is External Link/Members Only.

[Dave2014]

Knowing and avoiding this does not define your class. It just makes you clued-up. But NOT knowing this makes you clueless like most members of C69.

 

[bree121]

"Why there are no UKP reviews about these “elite” girls/courtesans?"

Because from observation, 90% of the readership of this forum appear, from their views/literacy etc, to represent a more 'working-class' element of the demographic, contrasted with, for example the subscribers to the C69 forum. And this means that they have a very different viewpoint on expensive escorts. If you want feedback on these expensive escorts, you will be better of signing up to C69. And I add that I have no connection with that forum, but do read it.

Sorry its another essay-
Agree. My insight is being a girl who does well on both websites- and therefore I actually speak to both types of client. The "stars" on here have no reviews on C69- a few have one, and some are poorly reviewed. Amongst us 4 adultwork girls who has made it to the top 20 list on C69, Emily is the only one who has any real presence on here (however, the fact that she does, proves to an extent that whatever you might think of C69 those guys have tastes similar to yours-exactly the same in fact!). Buttt- There's a thread called something like "Does anyone actually use adultwork?" And another one which talks of "affordable" girls being at £200-£400. So... different target markets and price ranges.

As far as "class"-no one knows about lurkers and readership, but I think there is a noticeable difference in those who contribute and I can say there is a difference in the clients and their expectations... I have no preference, but there is a difference. The current reverse bookings on C69 are an overnight for 3000 euros in Germany, and another for a full weekend in Madrid. Log into aw and some guy wants a threesome for 50quid and another wants bareback for 150. Its not just about money here- its also about the type of experiences people want. Please understand, I grew up in Croydon so have neither the credentials nor the inclination to look down on anyone. But I lurk here precisely because I'm not reviewed here so I feel I can be honest in my opinions.

Based on observation (so don't have a go!) the quantity of "punts" for a UKP reviewer is a lot (and I mean VASTLY) higher than what it appears a C69/"elite" seeker would have. I have many regulars, but actually you probably spend the exact same amount of money a year as these guys do- you just see more girls more often. This year west8 (just an example) has posted 16 reviews. Lets say each punt is £150- meaning in three months there's been around £2400 spent. What a different type of client would do is only punt once every three months but spend that same £2400 on a weekend with a high end girl, or do an overnight every 6 weeks. And if you want to do a long date, the escorts with the personality best suited to this kind of thing know they can charge more. A lot of my clients are around once a month, if that, so will have a longer "fluffy experience"... but then not punt for months or until they are travelling again. This is not about class from a financial point of view- a lot of you guys are spending the same amount as the C69ers. On balance it actually works out as the same expenditure, and in some cases a UKP person probably spends more- having more frequent, smaller bites of the apple- and (based on the reviews page) around 1/3 bites are unsuccessful anyway. If you are only in London a few times a year, you can't afford to have an unsuccessful bite, but can afford to splash out... hence the reputable elite agencies.

On another forum post someone said a WG living in a rough part of Hackney made him wonder what her other clients were like so he put a condom on for oral etc and many people agreed- he based his view of her on who else she may be seeing. Well that's what some people with higher budgets are also doing with girls in the 100-180 range and (put very bluntly) they would rather see a girl whom less people can afford, or whom they imagine sees people of their same class/social standing. People are paying more because they can afford to pay for the privilege of not sharing the girl with the type of person they would consider undesirable- just the same as the guy in Hackney didn't like the idea of having shared the WG with hackneys finest. I sense a sort of hostility and resentment to any WG who dares charge more than £200, but these are my observations anyway.
Bree xxx

[Mr Jones]

I will not allow myself to get drawn into the vitriol propagated by some members of this forum, preferring instead to state the clear and obvious reason why there are no UKP reviews about these “elite” girls, then adopt the great maxim attributed to John Arbuthnot Fisher (also subsequently to Benjamin Disraeli), namely - "Never apologise, never explain." A few further observations:

Whilst there are some girls who appear at wildly different rates, there are also many girls who are only available for £400 per hour upwards. Now these are the 'elite' girls - because they are unobtainable for the majority of the UKP contributors (amended from readership!), and because they are unobtainable, the baying UKP mob denies that they are any better than the £100 an hour WG.

The £400 an hour girl is 'elite' or 'exclusive' because of exactly those words - she excludes a certain demographic from her client base - she doesn't want to see them, so excludes them by pricing herself out of their range. And therefore she appeals to the gentleman who can afford her rates, and who sees Value For Money at £400 per hour because:

a) she is not seeing more than one client a day. And if she only sees one a week, even better.
b) she is either at university or has another job - promotes the girlfriend illusion, rather than the 'piece of meat' UKP viewpoint.
c) he does not have to share her with persons of a lower social class (there are seven social classes identified today).
d) she may be more stunningly beautiful i.e. model looks.
e) and - maybe the most compelling - she is unavailable to the majority!

The other major difference in viewpoints between the 'Elite Denial' brigade and the 'Elite Seeking' bunch, are their expectations of the encounter. Believe it or not, UKP member, when they say 'treat her well, it could possibly be that they connected well, had great chemistry, and enjoyed the social time, the conversation, the sexual tension in the air over dinner, the whole build-up, as well as the actual private time. Whereas the typical UKP member (not all), is just there to see now many positions he can do in the 59 minutes and 30 seconds remaining after walking into the room.

Another thought - if the incredibly low opinion you have of these WG's that is so frequently expressed, is genuine, then why on earth do you then proceed to share an hour of intimacy with her? Is it because she is a piece of meat? And if so, I presume you do not speak to her - or if you do, do you address her in the same descriptive terminology as you used on the forum a day or two earlier?

I did find it amusing that my earlier post provoked such personal virulence. I had merely suggested that the OP could look at an additional source of information. It is like being at the checkout at Lidl or Aldi, and a fellow shopper in the queue enquiring where he could find a product that was not available here, then when it is suggested that Waitrose stock this so he could try there, a third bystander responds with a torrent of foul-mouthed abuse for mentioning the name Waitrose! Thanks - I enjoyed that.

Finally I expect to receive a further dose of fine prose from some of UKP's more linguistically-challenged members - however a) I will not be responding (see first paragraph) and b) such expletive-filled commentary will only serve to confirm my analysis.

[cueball]

Too much of a generalisation of ukp members Mr jones, I suggest ukp is probably not for you

To me ukp is not a fluffy chat platform where everybody watches their p's and q's, carefully wording the next sentence to avoid causing offence, to me ukp is more like a bunch of lads stood at the bar talking about podging birds and having a laugh about it, with a bit of advice thrown in for good measure.

[Norman8796]

Too much of a generalisation of ukp members Mr jones, I suggest ukp is probably not for you

To me ukp is not a fluffy chat platform where everybody watches their p's and q's, carefully wording the next sentence to avoid causing offence, to me ukp is more like a bunch of lads stood at the bar talking about podging birds and having a laugh about it, with a bit of advice thrown in for good measure.

i thought both Bree and Mr Jones made good points very well. I think the class thing is a bit misleading. The interesting point is that this is quite an emotive thread being populated with some good and enlightening arguments. We just wait for the forum Taliban to take us down a peg or two. I have recently retired from a job where I worked long hours and travelled. My wife has said she has no interest so I have looked elsewhere. I don't want the mess of a breakup so I am happiest with a purely commercial transaction. While I was busy I put myself in the hands of two agencies told them what I wanted, paid for it and had fun. Now I am retired I can see that you can actually find value in all parts of the market. UKPunting and the Taliban play a vital role in this, I now have a regular I pay 130 an hour to who is every bit as good as the 500£ per hour girls and I am sure there are more.
I think Bree's point about the total spend and the expectation is correct and Mr Jones point about the Taliban's discomfort at the thought of another viewpoint is also correct. Hopefully something positive has come out of this. I would urge mr Jones not to give up but to keep chipping away at the Taliban's disrespectful tone.
I don't stand at the bar any more, I meet up with my friends and have reasoned discussion, which is what I have found I prefer as I get older.

[Dave2014]

The £400 an hour girl is 'elite' or 'exclusive' because of exactly those words - she excludes a certain demographic from her client base . . .

Wrong. Nice attempt at trying to redefine "Elite". You don't get to redefine the meaning of the term to suit you own analysis. It is to be given its own normal meaning. And in the land of sex-selling, it is a synonym for "expensive" (read: overpriced).

And therefore she appeals to the gentleman who can afford her rates, and who sees Value For Money at £400 per hour . . .

Utter tosh. On so many levels. Prices in this game do not exclude or ensure certain classes of punter. Ever heard of saving? Quite a few punters on here are of lower income but save for higher priced WGs. As a more general point, anyone who thinks a WG offers VFM at £400ph is just a fool. And I say that as someone who could very well afford that price but has enough experience to know there is no positive correlation between cost and service when hiring a prostitute. Only simplistic third-party touts (or WGs touting themselves) hang on to your line of fallacious reasoning. We see it on here all the time (and usually they end up banned for the reasons I have already mentioned).

a) she is not seeing more than one client a day. And if she only sees one a week, even better.
b) she is either at university or has another job - promotes the girlfriend illusion, rather than the 'piece of meat' UKP viewpoint.
c) he does not have to share her with persons of a lower social class (there are seven social classes identified today).
d) she may be more stunningly beautiful i.e. model looks.
e) and - maybe the most compelling - she is unavailable to the majority!

(1) I don't give a shit if she has a brain like Stephen Hawking - I'm there for the vagina, not her amygdala. (2) prostitution by definition is meat for hire. Without the meat part, it would not be prostitution. You sound strangely similar to those muppets who were banned from touting and creating multiple accounts in support of that overpriced "elite" average looking Irish girl earlier this week. (3) if you don't like the UKP viewpoint, get back to sipping your babycham over at PH. We won't miss you.

The other major difference in viewpoints between the 'Elite Denial' brigade and the 'Elite Seeking' bunch, are their expectations of the encounter.

Bollocks. Google "cost benefit analysis". Or ask one of your "university" attending WG friends to explain it to you.

Believe it or not, UKP member, when they say 'treat her well, it could possibly be that they connected well, had great chemistry, and enjoyed the social time, the conversation, the sexual tension in the air over dinner, the whole build-up, as well as the actual private time. Whereas the typical UKP member (not all), is just there to see now many positions he can do in the 59 minutes and 30 seconds remaining after walking into the room.

(1) No. When someone writes "treat her well" it means, they are a fluffy cunt without imagination and are just following the prose of the last fluffy cunt with no imagination, who followed the prose of the last fluffy cunt with no imagination. We don't go for that shit on here because it is utter meaningless garbage. We understand it is very common on that garbage site PN.
 
(2) the "typical" UK member is honest about punting. He goes there to empty his sack into a whore. All of this other imagined, aspirational, social status crap you bang on about is merely the delusional fantasy of an individual who has to pay to have a social life - it is clear that guys on UKP are a bit better grounded than your PN or C69 fantasist.

Another thought . . .

Do you have to? Actually, not much thinking was involved prior to those words, I think you flatter yourself too much.

if the incredibly low opinion you have of these WG's that is so frequently expressed, is genuine, then why on earth do you then proceed to share an hour of intimacy with her? Is it because she is a piece of meat? And if so, I presume you do not speak to her - or if you do, do you address her in the same descriptive terminology as you used on the forum a day or two earlier?

You write like a woman. I suspect you are one. You can't have it both ways love, on the one had you say we do as "many positions he can do in the 59 minutes and 30" and on the other hand you state we go for "an hour of intimacy" - a very female analysis. The ability to hold two views at once is particularly common among women, and muppets.

I did find it amusing that . . .

Oh - la-de-fucking-da, we don't care about you or what you find amusing. Nice try at being superior. You come off as a jack-ass.

my earlier post provoked such personal virulence . . .

I think 'ridicule' is the word you were looking for. You're welcome.

Thanks - I enjoyed that.

Somehow I doubt it. Which is why you mentioned it.

Finally I expect to receive a further dose of fine prose from some of UKP's more linguistically-challenged members - however a) I will not be responding (see first paragraph) and b) such expletive-filled commentary will only serve to confirm my analysis.

Thank fuck for that. They are missing you on PN. Off you trot.

[Norman8796]

The Taliban at their best. Puntico should go and live in Saudi, he would feel at home there.

[Dave2014]

I think this "Bree" chick has overstepped the line into touting now.

My insight is being a girl who does well on both websites- and therefore I actually speak to both types of client.

STOP TOUTING - we don't care how "well" you do on both websites.

And you don't get to speak for punters. We are punters and we give each other insight. You are not one of us and you do not speak for us so don't presume to do so.

Amongst us 4 adultwork girls who has made it to the top 20 list on C69 . . .

STOP TOUTING - we don't care if you've got your cycling proficiency badge or your 100 meters back-stroke. You are touting plain and simple. I predict you will not be here long.

Please understand, I grew up in Croydon so have neither the credentials nor the inclination to look down on anyone. But I lurk here precisely because I'm not reviewed here . . .

No. You are here to TOUT. The inference to be drawn from this is that you come here because you are not reviewed as you are slightly out of the UKP league - dream on love. You are probably not reviewed here because you're not very attractive and offer very poor VFM.

I have many regulars . . .

STOP TOUTING!!!

I sense a sort of hostility and resentment to any WG who dares charge more than £200, but these are my observations anyway.
Bree xxx

STOP TOUTING - the inference to be drawn is that you are better than a £200ph prostitute. You are not. You sell your snatch for money. End of.

[Norman8796]

Scary or what?

[bree121]

Eh?
By all means I will change my name on here and take my photo down so no one has any idea who I am or how to find me. I shall do so now and you cannot accuse me of touting, I'll use a different name as well. I think its fairly obvious given most people on here all feel about my price range and the fact that I have been working for 4 years and dont have one reiew on here that this is not a market for me to tout to.

[Dave2014]

I have been working for 4 years and dont have one reiew on here that this is not a market for me to tout to.

That is exactly why you have taken to TOUTING on here. You are looking to break into a market that has so far eluded you.

[cueball]

Eh?
By all means I will change my name on here and take my photo down so no one has any idea who I am or how to find me. I shall do so now and you cannot accuse me of touting, I'll use a different name as well.

You'll be banned, read the rules regarding prossie names

[bree121]

That is exactly why you have taken to TOUTING on here. You are looking to break into a market that has so far eluded you.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=36503.0
I want to break from C69 into UKP? Why would I want to do that?
The market here has not eluded me- its simply the case that I market myself at completely different people. Hence why being on here has no impact whatsoever (good or bad) on my work. My clients dont look or comment here and guys here rarely punt in my price range.
You are wrong on this one. Why would I want to break into a cheaper market?! I have emailed admin to ask about changing my name- or in any rate Im changing my aw name at some point soon so there will be no link between me here and there- thus no possible grounds to think I am touting. Why would I take my name and photo down if I needed work so bad? I just like inputting my views, I like the chat, and I'm not too bothered about you knowing exactly who I am, if that means that the "tout" finger is always going to point in my direction. If I wanted to break this "market" I would lower my rates, but I don't need to.
Not every girl who has an opinion is here to tout.
B.

[Norman8796]

Well said.

[bree121]

Given the hostility and aggression expressed at any woman on here who has a differing opinion, I find it hard to believe that anyone WG would come here of all places to tout.

[Dani]

So basically those of us at the lower price range cannot possibly have exceptional social skills or offer longer bookings that contain a genuine believable girlfriend experience as we are just pieces of meat 
Just because I choose to have lower prices does not mean in any way at all that some of my clients are not from the higher classes.  I have many who are.  They book women not on their prices but on who they choose to see.  So I share clients with the 'elite' girls even if they are unaware of it.. 
However I also choose to set my prices so that the average working man can afford me as well.  It doesn't change the experience.  The rich client gets the same service as the working class client. 
To think that those of us who choose to charge a lower rate are pieces of meat that just have a sex with dozens of men everyday is rather simplistic and blinkered thinking.  we don't all work with a queue of men outside our door. 
Some of us only work a couple of hours a day seeing one or two clients.  Some of us have an education seeing as you had to throw the university part in.  Some of us can converse on many levels and are at home in various social settings.  We don't have to charge stupidly high prices to justify what we do as a job.  At the end of the day regardless of if we have been to the theatre or the opera or eaten at McDonalds and went to the cinema with a client we all have sex for money.  Higher charges do not guarantee a better quality booking.  It does not guarantee the female will be able to fit into all social settings.  It does not even guarantee that she does not speak like a trucker or a fishwife.  It just means they feel the need to charge more to justify having sex with men they are not interested in.

No matter what they charge they are prostitutes.  You don't know you are the only person she has seen that day.  She may have a few partners and be having sex with them all.  I know a couple of 'elite' prossies who charge a fortune yet work in a parlour during the day charging normal average rates  and having sex with 8-10 men a day before going off to be 'elite' at night.  People who book these women are those who are a little deluded and have convinced themselves that what the prossies tell them is right.  That they are not available to many so they will be the only person that day.  Its for their own egos as they think they are better than other punters as they get women the lower classes cant afford not realising a few of them work in parlours at much lower rates during the day.  As faces are always blurred or cropped no one is wise to it as those who pay the high prices rarely visit a lowly parlour.

At the end of the day if you get a convincing girlfriend experience then those who pay the lower prices get exactly the same experience for a much lower sum of money